From: John Richard Moser (nigelenkicomcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan 14 2005 - 00:04:38 CST

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Ben Pfaff wrote:
> John Richard Moser <nigelenkicomcast.net> writes:
>
>
>>PaX does pretty nice randomization. I think 15/16 for heap and stack
>>and 24 for mmap(), though I could be overshooting the 24. I'm on amd64
>>so I can't just run paxtest and see; though I could read the source code.
>
>
> In some fairly reasonable circumstances, this may not be enough.
> I wonder whether the security community is generally aware of a
> paper I co-authored on defeating PaX and address space
> randomization in general on 32-bit systems, titled "On the
> Effectiveness of Address Space Randomization". It was presented
> at CCS 2004 and available on my webpage, among other places:
> http://www.stanford.edu/~blp/papers/asrandom.pdf

Brad says he's seen it, and that at the time of that writing he'd
already solved that problem.

Apparently in grsecurity, once you've caused a program to segfault or
get a PaX kill, it's flagged to delay all future forks by 30 seconds, or
something like that. I don't know the exact details.

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