This quote is from a Navy document on hazardous waste storage
(www.efdlant.navfac.navy.mil/downl/lantops_15/1005_13.pdf). It includes the
text "The standard height of a security fence is 8 feet" - that is including
the "topguard" of barbed wire:

Since male pole-vaulters are successfully vaulting over 18 feet, I think a
10 foot vault would be the best (fastest, cheapest) way to stealthily
overcome this barricade. Note that the landing would be hard, but probably
not harder than parachuting in, and setting up a parachute drop would take a
*lot* more time than pole-vaulting. It is also faster to vault than to cut
through the fence, and cutting is not an option for electric fences (I
imagine that cutting the fence would set off an alarm, thereby breaking the
"Stealthy" requirement). Alternately, drive a large (9' tall) truck up next
to the fence, climb up on top, and jump over. Or get a 10' high stepladder
and do the same thing (set it up parallel to the fence, not leaning on the
fence (don't want to get electrocuted here)).

Phil

<snip>
2.2.4 Security. The fence for the storage area shall be 15 feet from
the
outside perimeter road of the facility. Except for Naval facilities, the
fence shall have a minimum height of 2 meters (6 feet) and shall be of the
chain-link type.
          The standard perimeter or boundary fence that must be used by the
Navy to enclose restricted areas is defined in OPNAVINST 5530.14A, Physical
Security and Loss Prevention dated 16 Sep 1985. Specifically:
              (1) Fabric. The standard fence fabric will be 9-gauge (3.8)
mm)
zinc or aluminum-coated steel wire chain link with mesh openings not larger
than two inches (50 mm) per side and a twisted and barbed selvage at top and
bottom.
              (2) Fabric Ties. Only 9-gauge (3.8 mm) steel ties will be
used.
If the ties are coated or plated, the coating or plating will be
electrolytically compatible with the fence fabric to inhibit corrosion.
              (3) Height. The standard height of a security fence is eight
(8) feet (2.4) meters). This includes a fabric height of seven (7) feet
(2.1
meters), plus a topguard. Building connections may need to be higher.
Fencing 12 feet (3.6 meters) high from the connection point with a building
to
a point 12 feet (3.6 meters) away from the building is suggested.
              (4) Fencing Posts, Supports and Hardware. All posts,
supports,
and hardware for security fencing will meet the requirements of Federal
Specification RR-F-191J/GEN of 22 July 1981. All fastening and hinge
hardware
will be secured in place by peening or welding to allow proper operation of
components, but prevent disassembly of fencing or removal of gates. All
posts
and structural supports will be located on the inner side of the fencing.
Posts will be positively secured into the soil to prevent shifting, sagging
or
collapse.
              (5) Reinforcement. Taut reinforcing wires will be installed
and
interwoven or affixed with fabric ties along the top and bottom of the fence
for stabilization of the fence fabric.
              (6) Ground Clearance. The bottom of the fence fabric must be
within two inches (50 mm) of firm soil or buried sufficiently (concrete
footings or gravel may be used) in soft soil to compensate for shifting
soil.
              (7) Culverts and Openings. Culverts under or through a fence
shall be of ten inch (254 mm) pipe, or of clusters of such pipe or
equivalent.
Openings under or through a fence will be secured with material equal or
greater in strength than the overall barrier.
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             (8) Fence Placement.  No fence will be located so that the
features of the land (its topography) or structures (buildings, utility
tunnels, light and telephone poles, fire escapes, ladders, etc.) defeat its
purpose by allowing passage over, around or under the fence.
             (9) Top Guards.  A top guard must be constructed on all
perimeter
fences and may be added on interior enclosures for additional protection.  A
top guard is an overhang of barbed wire or barbed tape along the top of a
fence, facing outward (away from protected site) and upward at approximately
a
45-degree angle.  Top guard supporting arms will be permanently affixed to
the
top of fence posts to increase the overall height of the fence at least one
(1) foot (0.3 meter).  Three strands of 12-gauge (2.7 mm) barbed wire,
equally
spaced, must be installed on the supporting arms.  The top guard of fencing
adjoining gates may range from a vertical height of 18 inches (0.45 meter)
to
the normal 45-degree outward protection, but only for sufficient distance
along the fence to open the gates adequately.
             (10) Barriers.  Buildings, structures, waterfronts and other
barriers used instead of (or as a part of) a fence line must provide
equivalent protection to the fencing required for that area.  Therefore, all
windows, doors and other openings or means of access must be guarded or
properly secured.
          b) Alternative Fencing.  Where a boundary passes through an
isolated
area (forest, jungle, swamp) that is unpatrolled and where vehicular passage
is impossible, the boundaries may be defined with a three or four strand
12-gauge (2.7 nm) barbed wire fence approximately four (4) feet (1.2 meters)
high.  It will be posted as required.
          Alternative fencing may be used only to define a perimeter
boundary;
it shall not be used to enclose restricted areas.
</snip>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.kunz@eycom.ch [mailto:peter.kunz@eycom.ch]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:15 AM
> To: Brass, Phil (ISS Atlanta)
> Cc: cisspstudy@securityfocus.com; nslookup@hushmail.com
> Subject: RE: Regs. on DR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ok, let me specify that STEALTH is mandatory.
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> I suppose the quickest way of getting past any of those 
> fences would be to
> blow a hole in them, perhaps with a hand grenade.
> 
> Phil
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: peter.kunz@eycom.ch [mailto:peter.kunz@eycom.ch]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 4:33 AM
> > To: nslookup@hushmail.com
> > Cc: cisspstudy@securityfocus.com
> > Subject: Re: Regs. on DR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe it's 25 miles, ensuring that the backup is 
> outside the blast
> > radiuas of a tactical nuclear explosion. Remember, many of
> > the first CISSPs
> > are/were military, and thus military guidelines had a major 
> influence
> > especially on phyiscal security.
> >
> > Anyone care to answer the question on what the quickest way
> > of getting past
> > a fence a) plain b) barbed wire c) electrical is? :-)
> >
> > cu
> > -pete
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> > Recovery regulations.  Does anyone know what are the rules
> > concerning the
> > distance between a Disaster Recovery site and the physcial
> > location of the
> > business?  I've heard 90 miles, but I couldn't find
> > confirmation of that in
> > the DOD Orange Book.
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> > Thanks,
> > Carlos
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