From: Karl Shea (karlkarlshea.com)
Date: Thu Oct 07 2004 - 12:10:19 CDT

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> Speaking as one of the unfortunate bastards stuck in Internal Audit at
> one of those mentioned companies, I can safely say Lakefront Breweries
> has saved my life if not my sanity. The only upside to working for

I live about 5 minutes from Lakefront Brewery. Friday fish fry, and the
Pumpkin lager. That is all.

> such companies is that fact that Sarbanes Oxley has kicked most of
> them in the pants to fix most of their broken technology as well
> allowing me to get out of the country every other month. I agree that
> if you really want to find the interesting work you gotta look outside
> the box here and maybe into Chicago. The other problem with working
> with some of the megacorporations is that they have such shitty HR
> departments that your manager can't promote you based on your
> excellent performance and level of responsibility but rather how many
> years you've wasted with said company. Many of us are trying to escape

That is exactly true. A friend of mine does webapp development for
Metavante as an "intern" while he finishes his degree, and he is in the
same position that he was in when he worked for Strong: he is doing the
work of a normal employee, and during the summer, possibly even more,
but they won't pay him much because he's still in school. They know they
can screw him, because what else is he gonna do?

> as soon as possible. My recommendation to hiring managers would be
> look at what type of projects people do on their free time rather than
> what they do within a company but I can attest that some of us treat
> our daily jobs as a 8-5 routine fashionable to flipping burgers except
> without the grease burn. My other recommendation would be to not
> getting too caught up with "job" experience because it can really bite
> you in the ass when you compare someone who spends free time
> researching and trolling on mailing lists such as this with "little"

I work at a little company right now, and there is a guy there with
years of programming experience who is the lead on this web project.
We're doing it in .NET, and using lots of code from an earlier project,
and adding features as we go.

I don't think you can use an object-oriented language and be any *less*
object oriented than we are. This guy understands absolutely nothing
about OO, programming design, security, or modularization. We have about
300 stored procedures, because every single page loads its own
information, and the only objects we have in the entire project are a
user that gets put into the session, and a page class that we use
instead of the default. I came into the project never having used .NET
before, and in 3 months time I know more about the language than anyone
working there. This project would have taken half the time to do had it
been done the Right Way in the first place.

But he has lots of "experience" so he would be more valuable to an HR
department than I would.

> experience to someone with the 5 years in CISSP/CISA gift pack who
> can't fucking perform an audit without their damn checklist in front
> of them. So if you're interested in hiring someone with half a clue or
> just want to ship me a few six packs of Leffe Brune or even Lakefront
> Eastside Dark please post here and I'll contact you directly. Thus
> ends my self whoring and buffoonery for the day.

Good luck on the audit

-Karl
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