From: root (root_fibertel.com.ar)
Date: Mon Jul 14 2008 - 02:23:31 CDT

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In my short experience finding bugs and exploiting them, i have found
that the task of writing a reliable exploit is *orders of magnitude*
more complex and require much more experience than the required to only
find a bug.
Anyone can fire a fuzer, find a bug and tell their client about how
exploitable it is.
People then will talk about ret-to-libc and malloc tricks that really
don't work anymore in modern systems.
IMHO, only somebody with the technical expertise to write the actual
exploit can know the real extent of the vulnerability.

Sorry the rant, is late here :)

Thomas Ptacek wrote:
>> I would generally agree that anyone selling themselves as a pen-tester should
>> be able to pass this -- but not at the exclusion of also being able to identify
>> poor use of crypto, architectural failures or web application
>> vulnerabilities. Maybe
>> the dispute here is in understanding what the purpose of this certification is.
>
> No, see, I'm saying something different --- I'm saying that people who
> sell themselves as pen-testers DO NOT need the skills this test looks
> for. Ability to FIND overflows is more valuable than the ability to
> EXPLOIT them.
>

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