From: Alexander Sotirov (alexsotirov.net)
Date: Wed Jul 23 2008 - 23:17:31 CDT

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On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:05:23PM -0400, dangeer.org wrote:
> mmaiffretinveniosecurity.com writes
> -+---------------------------------
> | Really it is a sad reminder that the current state of
> | the art when it comes to security and the resiliency
> | of our systems has a lot to do with making sure the
> | good guys only talk about things behind closed doors
> | while hoping that bad guys don't figure things out
> | before we can patch.
> |
>
> Two thoughts, one an example of something that
> could easily be done and would cause havoc hence,
> arguably, I should not write it here; the other
> an observation about the constraint space in which
> we live.
>
> (1) Some of you will have craftier ideas, but here's
> how to take a plane out of the sky, assuming you are
> willing to suicidily go with it... Fill an aluminum
> walking cane with thermite, put a magnesium strip
> in your wallet, and a book of matches in your undies.
> Take whatever flight has the longest transoceanic
> segment with no place to land and, at the halfway
> point, go in the bathroom and light off your cane.
> It will burn through the floor and depressurize the
> plane forcing a descent to perhaps 8,000 feet where
> fuel efficiency falls so low that there will be no
> place to make land but plenty of time to radio a
> mayday to the world press.

I have no idea what this has to do with Marc's email to which you're
responding, but I'll play:

What is the fuel efficiency of a plane at 8000 feet? It is really
low enough to make this attack possible?

ETOPS might be of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS
http://gc.kls2.com/faq.html#$etops

Alex

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