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From: Ben Smith (mr_mobsofthotmail.com)
Date: Sat Jan 05 2002 - 18:49:13 CST

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    Hi All,

    I believe Senator Richard Alston is a stubborn moron that most likely still uses a typewritter to do all of his work and has probabally only used the internet once in his life.  The thing about all of these laws is that they are old, too vauge, outdated and are utterly moronic.  Wireless technology is an all new emerging technology with unlimited possibilities and if we ever get a senator that will do his job then the first thing the senator must do is realise this and re-write the laws, Technology is changing by the minute but sadly our laws are changing by the decade and just keep falling behind.  In the meantime, while our laws remain old, too vague, outdated and quite simply stupid, I am extremely confident that there will be many ways to get around these laws and at this stage they are too vague for any form of enforcement to be imposed.

    Best Regards,

    Ben Smith

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    >To: wirelesslists.samba.org
    >Subject: wireless digest, Vol 1 #435 - 5 msgs
    >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:27:37 -0800 (PST)
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    >Today's Topics:
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    > 1. range differencies (Markus Jakob (EEI))
    > 2. RE: Wireless in Adelaide (Rowan Crowe)
    > 3. Re: Wireless in Adelaide (Jason Jordan)
    > 4. Re: Wireless in Adelaide (Rowan Crowe)
    > 5. RE: Wireless in Adelaide (Michael Farr)
    >
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    >Message: 1
    >From: "Markus Jakob (EEI)" EEI.ERICSSON.SE>
    >To: "'wirelesslists.samba.org'" LISTS.SAMBA.ORG>
    >Subject: range differencies
    >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:05:17 +0100
    >
    >Hi all,
    >
    >I try to get routing protocols on an adhoc network running,
    >using ELSA airlancer cards and the orinoco driver
    >(kernel version 2.4.9, driver version 0.06f).
    >I experienced that broadcast messages have
    >bigger ranges than unicast messages sent to a
    >particular IP and MAC address, e.g at certain distances
    >between two nodes it is possible to receive a broadcast
    >messages from the other node but ping doesn't work
    >anymore between the nodes.
    >Is this a normal behaviour or is it somehow possible
    >to influence it to get the same ranges for all types of
    >messages?
    >
    >Thanks
    >
    >Markus
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    >Message: 2
    >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:34:46 +1100 (EST)
    >From: Rowan Crowe SENSATION.NET.AU>
    >To: wirelesssamba.org
    >Subject: RE: Wireless in Adelaide
    >
    >On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Jamz D. Boman wrote:
    >
    > > And THESE are the exemptions under the law:
    >
    >[...]
    >
    > > Line links authorised by or under previous laws
    > > http://scaleplus.law.gov.au/html/pasteact/2/3021/0/PA000610.htm
    >
    >That one is actually broadcasting exemptions, the correct URL is:
    >
    > http://scaleplus.law.gov.au/html/pasteact/2/3021/0/PA000630.htm
    >
    >I correct your email only because that would most likely be the most
    >relevant to hobbyist/private operators. I thought it may have mentioned
    >the 500m rule, but it only exempts links that were installed prior to
    >past changes in the act.
    >
    >Of course, our beloved Senator Richard "I censored the net in Australia
    >and banned online gambling to sell off the rest of Telstra" Alston could
    >be a nice guy and officially condone such hobbyist use of links:
    >
    > http://scaleplus.law.gov.au/html/pasteact/2/3021/0/PA000640.htm
    > (Ministerial determination)
    >
    >As another email said, for a few hobbyists messing around with wireless
    >links, if you share net access then YES it is illegal (regardless of the
    >length of the link!), but if the ACA decide to prosecute you then they're
    >just wasting taxpayers money. Your *equipment* is legal under the RF LIPD
    >regulations (assuming it was purchased in Australia and is ACA type
    >approved), the only part that is illegal is that you are transferring data
    >over your link, that should be transported via a $$$ carrier link.
    >
    >My opinion does not apply to commercial links, any ISP or other commercial
    >body who sets up any unlicenced links for the purposes of making $$$ is
    >just asking to be prosecuted. That's why I never did it when I was running
    >an ISP.
    >
    >Cheers.
    >
    >
    >--
    >Rowan Crowe - Melbourne, Australia
    >www.camrecord.com www.camdiscover.com www.heyasl.com www.sensationbot.com
    >
    >
    >
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    >
    >Message: 3
    >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:08:10 +0800
    >From: Jason Jordan PCGURU.COM.AU>
    >To: wirelesslists.samba.org
    >Subject: Re: Wireless in Adelaide
    >Organization: Ray Martin has odd hair. I suspect Aliens are somehow involved.
    >
    >On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:34:46 +1100 (EST)
    >Rowan Crowe SENSATION.NET.AU>wrote:
    >
    > > As another email said, for a few hobbyists messing around with
    > > wireless links, if you share net access then YES it is illegal
    > > (regardless of the length of the link!), but if the ACA decide to
    > > prosecute you then they're just wasting taxpayers money. Your
    > > *equipment* is legal under the RF LIPD regulations (assuming it was
    > > purchased in Australia and is ACA type approved), the only part that
    > > is illegal is that you are transferring data over your link, that
    > > should be transported via a $$$ carrier link.
    >
    >Would this apply if you were supplying access to the Internet
    >for free. Totally free?
    >
    >cheers, jas
    >
    >
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    >
    >Message: 4
    >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:17:09 +1100 (EST)
    >From: Rowan Crowe SENSATION.NET.AU>
    >To: wirelesssamba.org
    >Subject: Re: Wireless in Adelaide
    >
    >On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Jason Jordan wrote:
    >
    > > On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:34:46 +1100 (EST)
    > > Rowan Crowe SENSATION.NET.AU>wrote:
    > >
    > > > As another email said, for a few hobbyists messing around with
    > > > wireless links, if you share net access then YES it is illegal
    > > > (regardless of the length of the link!), but if the ACA decide to
    > > > prosecute you then they're just wasting taxpayers money. Your
    > > > *equipment* is legal under the RF LIPD regulations (assuming it was
    > > > purchased in Australia and is ACA type approved), the only part that
    > > > is illegal is that you are transferring data over your link, that
    > > > should be transported via a $$$ carrier link.
    > >
    > > Would this apply if you were supplying access to the Internet
    > > for free. Totally free?
    >
    >Do you mean is it illegal? Yes. You are carrying 3rd party data.
    >
    >Is it immoral? Well...
    >
    >Cheers.
    >
    >
    >--
    >Rowan Crowe - Melbourne, Australia
    >www.camrecord.com www.camdiscover.com www.heyasl.com www.sensationbot.com
    >
    >
    >
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    >
    >Message: 5
    >Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:59:05 +1100
    >To: SAMBA.ORG>
    >From: Michael Farr CS.LATROBE.EDU.AU>
    >Subject: RE: Wireless in Adelaide
    >
    >At 04:34 PM 1/4/2002 +1030, you wrote:
    > >Guys,
    > > Remember if you aren't a telecommunications carrier you can't:
    >
    >Most of the links provided in regards to Australian telecommunication law
    >is in relation to a "service to the public". What definition does "public"
    >have in this context?
    >
    >
    >
    >
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