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From: Bruce Janson (bruce_at_it.usyd.edu.au)
Date: Mon Jul 15 2002 - 21:32:42 CDT

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        From: Jean Tourrilhes <jtbougret.hpl.hp.com>
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        Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:47:46 -0700
        
        Bruce Janson wrote :
    > Now that sub-frequency selectable wireless devices are common, has anyone
    > tried to set up full-duplex point-to-point links? I would imagine that
    > this could be done using two wireless cards at each end (i.e. four cards
    > in total). At each end, both cards would be attached to the same antenna
    > (via some sort of "splitter/combiner" Y-shaped junction). Each card would
    > be tuned to a separate sub-frequency (and of course, that sub-frequency would
    > match that of the corresponding card at the remote end). Then traffic in
    > one direction would be sent through one network interface (sub-frequency)
    > and that in the other direction confined to the other channel.
        
                Have you ever seen the shape of a transmitted radio signal
        (versus frequency) ? It looks more or less like a gaussian
        curve. Which mean that even if you don't transmit a full power in the
        adjacent channel, you will transmit enough to "blind" you.
        ...

    Jean,
        That was my understanding but I did not (and still do not) know
    whether the current wireless devices allow selection of two channels
    sufficiently far apart to avoid that overlap. Moreover, given that the
    pairs of colocated cards would be only "bus-slots" apart within the PC
    there might be other shielding-related problems.

                Using the same antenna is "no way". I even suspect that
        electrically you can damage your cards.
        ...

    Oh well...

        Using two different pair of
        antennas might be possible but you will need to position the Rx
        antenna properly with respect to the Tx antenna (check your angular
        response).
        ...

    (Obviously, I was hoping that the separation in frequency space would be
    sufficient.)

    Again, has anyone tried this, perhaps, as Jean suggests, using separate
    antennas for each card?

    Regards,
    bruce.