Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:14:28 +0200
From: Michael Baentsch <mibzurich.ibm.com>
Organization: IBM
Cc: Ian.Parsonsvirgin.net, pwtiosis.co.uk,
   Marcus Oestreicher <oeszurich.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Peter Tomlinson

Peter,

   just a few little comments to your statements around JCOP: Besides
ORGA and Gemplus, Schlumberger, G&D, OCS, Setec, and a set of
more local smart card manufacturers are selling JCOP/ProX-based
dual-interface Jcards.

Second, you do not configure them (at perso time or any other time)
to run T=CL or Mifare: They are able to sustain both: They work as
Mifare cards in Mifare readers, and as T=CL cards in T=CL readers.
This is because the lower-level communications software between
T=CL and Mifare is shared, and a definite indication is provided by
the card whether it is (also) capable of running T=CL. If so, the ATS
is requested (to which JCOP as any other T=CL card will reply).

Finally, I don't know what restrictions you see "on its use in high
volumes"? Perhaps you can elaborate a bit on that.

Regards,

-- Michael

Marcus Oestreicher wrote:

> FYI:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Embedded MUSCLE? Contactless MUSCLE?
> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:06:49 +0100
> From: "Peter Tomlinson" <pwtiosis.co.uk>
> Reply-To: sclinuxlinuxnet.com
> To: <sclinuxlinuxnet.com>
> CC: "Ian Parsons" <Ian.Parsonsvirgin.net>
> References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207111028530.19289-100000bucsg.corestreet.com>
>
> Since we are into card types with T=CL, I know of:
>
> IBM JCOPS (dual interface), which is on the Philips Mifare ProX silicon.
> Both Orga and Gemplus are selling the cards. This apparently can be
> configured at personalisation time to be either Mifare compliant or T=CL on
> the contactless interface (14443 Type A). This is intended for EMV use
> (payment application on the contact interface) and may have some
> restrictions on its use in high volumes.
>
> Schlumberger have for some time been selling dual interface cards on the
> earlier Philips Mifare Pro silicon. These can also be configured for either
> T=CL or Mifare, but probably at silicon manufacture time (in the ROM). Again
> 14443 Type A.
>
> ASK have the MV5100 range (the Venus card, ex-Motorola, on STM ST19 silicon,
> dual interface - the OS is now owned by ERG Group of Australia). Type B
> 14443 and T=CL. They also have an earlier range on ST16 silicon, but I never
> had any details.
>
> Setec Oy (Finland) have dual interface cards on the Infineon 66 series dual
> interface silicon. 14443, but I cannot remember whether its Type A or Type
> B. Rather slow, but I hope they are working on that.
>
> There are probably a couple of other European products (e.g. from Giesecke &
> Devrient), and there are also some Japanese products associated with their
> national ID card project. I'm trying to get an update on the Sharp card with
> 1Mbyte memory (I only have data on its contact interface functions, and that
> is under NDA). The Japanese project is going for Type B 14443.
>
> As for readers, most of the western hemisphere suppliers still seem to offer
> only kits for building access controllers (for access to buildings, that
> is). The other readers that I know of are for use with bus ticket machines
> and train station gates (there's a beaut from Cubic in San Diego, DSP based,
> tells you everything about the card), and are not available as separate
> units. However, a contact has suggested Omnikey as a source of a
> PC-connected reader, although I cannot find the details of the product.
> Micropross in France have readers for use in their LAN-based test equipment
> configurations - you will have to ask if T=CL (and Type B) are supported
> yet. In Japan there are point of sale readers, with a SLOT for the
> contactless card (saw a picture recently on a Sharp promo video).
>
> Us Brits know quite a bit about this technology (we helped with 14443 part
> 3, but never raised the money to prove out the Type B as now documented in
> the standard, although we know the products work).
>
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave engberg" <davecorestreet.com>
> To: <sclinuxlinuxnet.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Embedded MUSCLE? Contactless MUSCLE?
>
> >
> > Ah, ok. Philips also has ICs for contactless readers that do support ISO
> > 14443-4, but those don't seem to be widely distributed yet. I think
> > they're called "Pegoda" and they sell smaller samples under the "MF EV700"
> > and "MF EV800" identifiers.
> >
> > IBM's JCOP 3.0 cards (http://www.zurich.ibm.com/javacard) support a T=CL
> > contactless interface, and they refer people to Philips for those readers,
> > but these are only supported in Windows.
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Matthias Bruestle wrote:
> >
> > > ISO/IEC 14443 compliant means not neccessaryly compliant to ISO/IEC
> > > 14443-4. The GCA680 is a MIFARE reader. MIFARE uses ISO/IEC 14443-3
> type
> > > A anticollision, but on the higher level it does its own protocol. So
> > > the MIFARE cards do not speak T=CL and the command format is not that
> > > of APDUs. What Gemplus probably did is taking the Philips MIFARE ASIC
> > > and build another IC, which speaks to the host with the TLP proctocol
> > > and translates the APDU formated commands to the ASIC commands.
> >
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