From: Peter Williams (home_pwmsn.com)
Date: Tue Apr 12 2005 - 10:50:58 CDT

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Anders!!

I'm surprised at the generality of the claim, given your usual focus on the
mobile phone as the universal token (an obviously appealing notion.) Would
you not support phones with near-field transport? For peer-peer data
transport and device enumeration? This gets past the whole legacy of
7816-based half-duplex signaling, and the whole proprietary terminal
business imposed by VISA/VeraPhone etc to bias the infrastructure for the
card issuers benefit)

We are now manufacturing some tiny low-power Near Field USB tokens (courtesy
of Phillips), if anyone wants to pay to manufacture a dozen, to play - as
developers. They are also mifare responsive (separate circuit), for use in
physical access control.

If you want to talk to an early-stage NF "complete-system" supplier in the
US (ie. go beyond playing with our NF dongles), we can direct that contact
too. If anyone is at CT/ST in Las Vegas (US) on Wednesday, lets chat!
Obviously, a dongle is not enough for a working solution: it has to fit with
the fixed terminal, the phone, the card/dongle/phone provisioning and key
management system, the mifare sensors on billions of office doors, etc.

Peer-peer NF enumeration and wireless bus transport, plus end-end GP SCP-2
security, plus OTAR and off-issuer application loading with GP DAP controls.
Now, there we have a more realistic basis...one that incorporates the
potential of the universal bio handset (the finger-swipe enabled phone!)

We have a set of working finger-swipe dongles to play with too, if any
wants: there are different parameters and behaviors obviously, for the
different sensor and swipe device classes. They use our own off-card match
and user enrollment software, for the bio recognition stuff. They are being
sold now heavily in ...urr... Scandinavian banks.

Would be fun to make a device that links the three streams of work together
- NF mobility, plus bio-swipe, plus a NF-based "match-on-peer" - where the
phone's DSP is the peer for performing the match.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: muscle-bounceslists.musclecard.com [mailto:muscle-
> bounceslists.musclecard.com] On Behalf Of Anders Rundgren
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:57 AM
> To: MUSCLE
> Subject: Re: [Muscle] NIST Services
>
> Ok, So lets get political!
>
> To mix physical access based on biometrics with remote (a.k.a. logical)
> access
> based on "keys" is not such a terribly good idea as these uses constrain
> each other.
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