Hmm.

Either you didn't read what I wrote, or we don't agree. The
current spam flood
is a direct result of "security" organizations with an inability
to recognize a
necessary and appropriate use of encryption technology. Many
of these
groups (but not all of them) reside in your country.

Security in a systems sense includes concepts of accuracy,
availability and
salience of information. Spam is an example where a lot of
technologically
illiterate trained house-cats in the "Security" business failed
to comprehend
this and crippled an entire technology with a flawed
implementation.

The question I put (in roundabout fashion) was "Why isn't PGP an
integral
part of email clients". In this sense it is germaine to
"securityfreebsd.org".

Thanks,

Duncan Patton a Campbell is Duibh ;-)

---------- Original Message -----------
From: David Syphers <dsyphersuchicago.edu>
To: "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <campbellneotext.ca>
Sent: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:10:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Was: Merged security patches, now SPAM

> Merged security patches was a topic appropriate for
> freebsd-security. The general philosophy of SPAM is
> not. Thanks.
>
> -David
>
> On Thursday 08 August 2002 08:27 pm, Duncan Patton a
> Campbell is Dhu wrote:
> > Hmm. I've been thinking that the problem of spam is one of
> > human identity
> > and not a machine issue -- an identifiable human signator
of an
> > email is
> > a fairly good bet that you want to read it. So probably a
more
> > general
> > approach to reducing robo-mail would be to have standardised
> > hooks
> > to PGP in all emailers, useable by the massess.
> >
> > When email was first introduced, this should have been a
> > standard feature,
> > but for various reasons wasn't. Authorship provides human
> > authority to otherwise meaningless clusters of bits. This
> > application of security technology
> > is actually of more significance than is secrecy.
> >
> > The reason this is not a signed message is that I'm always
> > trying out
> > web/email clients and long ago found that they don't make
pgp
> > integration easy in all of them. Interestingly, I am
currently
> > using
> > a thing called Openwebmail, which is descended from
something
> > called Neomail. The first pc<unix> mail client I built was
> > called
> > neomail, and from its inception, contained full pgp
integration.
> > Which, I might add, made a lot of folks unhappy at the
time.
> >
> > To wax philosophic, I'd have to say that SPAM is Murphy's
> > revenge for an unfinished implementation.
> >
> > Duncan Patton a Campbell is Duibh ;-)
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: D J Hawkey Jr <hawkeydvisi.com>
> > To: Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu <campbellneotext.ca>
> > Sent: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:21:50 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Merged security patches for 4.3-RELEASE
> >
> > > On Aug 06, at 05:48 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell is
> > > Dhu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Spamset Faraway??? Keeps out all that nasty spam from
the
> > > > Viking probe,
> > > > I guess.
> > > >
> > > > Duncan Patton a Campbell is Duibh ;-)
> > >
> > > Am I supposed to understand any of this? Does it have
> > > anything to do with FreeBSD security issues?
> > >
> > > Or shall I see to it I shan't see you again?
> > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > > From: hawkeydvisi.com (D J Hawkey Jr)
> > > > To: olegvsi.ru, freebsd-securityFreeBSD.ORG
> > > > Sent: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:27:53 -0500 (CDT)
> > > > Subject: Re: Merged security patches for 4.3-RELEASE
> > > >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <1028659081.3d50178945f68_webmail.vsi.runs.sol.net>,
> > > > > olegvsi.ru writes:
> > > > > > ãÉÔÉÒÕÀ Bob K <melangeyip.org>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > Does the FreeBSD community concerned with these
> > "merged"
> > > > and tested
> > > > > >> patches ?
> > > > > >> > Since I forced to merge these (and all new)
security
> > > > patches to 4.0
> > > > > >> and 4.3, I
> > > > > >> > always can grant them to FreeBSD community.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Whether or not they get merged in with the older
> > security
> > > > branches,
> > > > > >> perhaps you could combine your resources with these
> > guys?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/freebsd-backports.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All right, I just wrote e-mail to hawkeydvisi.com,
and
> > it
> > > > was rejected by odd
> > > > > > antispam filter. Does anybody know how to contact
with
> > this
> > > > person ? Can I see
> > > > > > him there, for example ? It seems that his antispam
> > filter
> > > > passion (see link on
> > > > > > his page) plays poor joke with him ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > No, SpamFilters isn't playing any joke - SpamAssassin
> > > > > flagged your mail with "CHARSET_FARAWAY", meaning it
> > > > > isn't something I'm able to read (supposedly), so
> > > > > SpamFilters rejected it accordingly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've lifted that particular SpamAssassin status, if
> > > > > you wish to try again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for thinking of me and my FreeBSD Backports
> > > > > page though! Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > PS, I didn't know anyone here knew I had put up
> > > > > SpamFilters! Yes, spam has become passion of mine.
> > > > >
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