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From: Pierre-Olivier Fur (pof_at_teamlog.com)
Date: Thu Sep 12 2002 - 12:53:44 CDT

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    I agree dfolkins stateful packet filtering is really cool :) and having
    stateful and stateless enable at the same time like David is non
    usefull. I have nothing against ipfw cause it's FreeBSD made, but if you
    really want to use statefull packet filtering at its best I recommend
    you to use a native statefull packet filter.

    dfolkins wrote:
    > well, of course that would work, but the regular tcpflags ack rules are less
    > restrictive. i.e. they tend to allow all ack packets through, which opens
    > doors for ack-tunneling trojans, not to mention ack packet ddos. that's why
    > i wanted to make all rules keep-state. and besides, keep-state is _cool_.
    > :)
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "David Wolfskill" <davidcatwhisker.org>
    > To: <dfolkinscomcast.net>
    > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:56 AM
    > Subject: Re: ipfw, natd, and keep-state - strange behavior?
    >
    >
    >
    >>What I did was use the stateful stuff (only) for UDP; for TCP, I used
    >>the "established" flag. And I haven't seen the problems you report.
    >>
    >>Cheers,
    >>david
    >>--
    >>David H. Wolfskill davidcatwhisker.org
    >>To paraphrase David Hilbert, there can be no conflicts between the
    >>discipline of systems administration and Microsoft, since they have
    >>nothing in common.
    >
    >
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