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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking Challenge?

From: Ron DuFresne (dufresnewinternet.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 14:48:13 CDT

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 Valdis.Kletnieksvt.edu wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:30:45 +0200, nocturnal <nocturnalswehack.se> said:
>
> > A co-worker has a small penetration testing challenge for all. There is
> > even 1000SEK in it for the winner. Have fun and good luck!
>
> http://www.x-rates.com lists the Swedish Kroner
>
> http://www.x-rates.com/d/SEK/table.html
>
> About $137US. Not worth more than an hour or two's worth of effort unless
> you don't have a paying gig at the moment. (As an aside, what value is there
> in a pen-test that will only attract those who don't have easier ways of making
> $137? A good white-hat can make that *per hour* consulting, and a good
> black-hat can do better than that in the fraud market....)
>

I have a different question; how does one acertain that this is indeed an
open 'hacker challenege'? Could be a critical production server for the
swedish banking system and folks tapping upon it;s service could end up
finding that the legal authorities are bashing down the backdoor shortly
after tapping the tcp/udp ports it might have or might not have exposed.
Get-out-of-jail-free cards are not assured here are they?

Thanks,

Ron DuFresne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
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OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything.

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking Challenge?

Valdis.Kletnieksvt.edu
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 15:03:19 CDT

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:48:13 CDT, Ron DuFresne said:

> I have a different question; how does one acertain that this is indeed an
> open 'hacker challenege'? Could be a critical production server for the
> swedish banking system and folks tapping upon it;s service could end up
> finding that the legal authorities are bashing down the backdoor shortly
> after tapping the tcp/udp ports it might have or might not have exposed.
> Get-out-of-jail-free cards are not assured here are they?

If the type of hacker that would be attracted by a mere $137 prize poses
any threat to a critical production server, the site has *bigger* problems. :)

And if the hacker's moral system says it's OK to hack without having the
get-out-of-jail-free card in hand in advance, well... that's the hacker's problem. ;)

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: mi2g - fud, lies and libel

http-equivexcite.com
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 15:35:43 CDT

<!--
Maybe the dark hearted criminals have de-faced the mi2g
website?
-->

maybe light hearted ones can too. Stick this in the search thing
on the main page. Pretty sad:

''><img dynsrc="javascript:document.write
('<br><br><center><b><font size=24cm>all your digital risk base
belong to us</center>');status='foo'">

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking Challenge?

From: VX Dude (vxdude2003yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 15:36:56 CDT

While I agree that this would be a neat
web-defacement. I personally doubt it is due to the
low "reward". Most likely HackTrap is some WhiteHat's
idea of a silver bullet and he's using every single
GET request as proof of the huge numbers of hackers
that couldn't break in. After some more statistics
and scare tactics, they may find a few customers.
Gotta tip you're (white/black) hats to the security
community, they've got game!

-stinny

--- Ron DuFresne <dufresnewinternet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 Valdis.Kletnieksvt.edu wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:30:45 +0200, nocturnal
> <nocturnalswehack.se> said:
> >
> > > A co-worker has a small penetration testing
> challenge for all. There is
> > > even 1000SEK in it for the winner. Have fun and
> good luck!
> >
> > http://www.x-rates.com lists the Swedish Kroner
> >
> > http://www.x-rates.com/d/SEK/table.html
> >
> > About $137US. Not worth more than an hour or
> two's worth of effort unless
> > you don't have a paying gig at the moment. (As an
> aside, what value is there
> > in a pen-test that will only attract those who
> don't have easier ways of making
> > $137? A good white-hat can make that *per hour*
> consulting, and a good
> > black-hat can do better than that in the fraud
> market....)
> >
>
>
> I have a different question; how does one acertain
> that this is indeed an
> open 'hacker challenege'? Could be a critical
> production server for the
> swedish banking system and folks tapping upon it;s
> service could end up
> finding that the legal authorities are bashing down
> the backdoor shortly
> after tapping the tcp/udp ports it might have or
> might not have exposed.
> Get-out-of-jail-free cards are not assured here are
> they?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron DuFresne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith
> in humanity. It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get
> straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and
> self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it
> too!***
>
> OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything.
>
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: mi2g - fud, lies and libel

From: Brian Toovey (btooveyigxglobal.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 15:54:43 CDT

Are these the guys that take money from M$ to post positive security
reports of IIS webservers and other M$ systems?

Brian

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 14:51, gadgeteerelegantinnovations.org wrote:

> mi2g == 'many idiots glued 2gether'
>
> I like it.
> "Hey, Mikey! I think he likes it."

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RE: [Full-Disclosure] A Popup! In Mozilla!

From: John Dowling (greyhatthe2ndyahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 15:56:01 CDT

I disagree.

Initially, the image used in that popup actually comes
from a different server, but that's trivial. What I
see as a bigger issue is that blocking the image from
the server leaves the user with an empty div block
covering the page, and blocking the site serving the
div content could essentially render the div
'uncloseable'. Of course, this is more along the
lines of browseability, and does not seem to have any
very obvious security implications above and beyond
what can be served via a page without the annoying
<div>.

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[mailto:full-disclosure-adminlists.netsys.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Richmond
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:48 AM
To: Dave King
Cc: Full Disclosure; James Woodcock
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] A Popup! In Mozilla!

Add the following to adblock

        http://2-spyware.com/images/*

On Jul 21, 2004, at 1:44 AM, Dave King wrote:

> This isn't a normal "popup" in that it doesn't open
a new browser
> window. All they're doing is placing this great
animated gif over
> the middle of the page using absolute positioning in
the DIV tag.
> Notice that it looks like an IE window even in
Firefox. Really this
> is a sneaky trick that is pretty annoying. I think
this type of ad
> placement is going to be hard to block since most of
the time absolute
> positioning images is just part of the normal page
and has nothing to
> do with ads, even though I guess at one time pop-ups
were used
> legitimately almost exclusively. At least this page
seems to be
> thoughtful enough to only display the ad the first
time you visit it.
> Tricky little devils aren't they (and getting
trickier all the time).
>

                                                  
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] A Popup! In Mozilla!

From: Charles Richmond (cmriisc.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 17:17:09 CDT

On Jul 21, 2004, at 4:56 PM, John Dowling wrote:

> I disagree.
>
> Initially, the image used in that popup actually comes
> from a different server, but that's trivial. What I
> see as a bigger issue is that blocking the image from
> the server leaves the user with an empty div block
> covering the page, and blocking the site serving the
> div content could essentially render the div
> 'uncloseable'. Of course, this is more along the
> lines of browseability, and does not seem to have any
> very obvious security implications above and beyond
> what can be served via a page without the annoying
> <div>.

You have a good point so I went back to take a look. There
are 2 factors that ameliorate that issue. The first is that I
am unlikely to want to click through on a page that is doing
that and even less likely to want my users to do so :) The
second is that the "Nuke Anything" Firefox extension was
able to remove the <div> with a simple right-click -> remove

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RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE

From: whiplash (whiplashdespammed.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 17:36:51 CDT

J.A. Terranson wrote:

> Any country that deliberately massacres civilians is, by definition,
> guilty of genocide.

You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.
On the other side, anyone can easily demonstrate that Hamas and the so
called Al Qaeda *deliberately* massacres civilians.

Anyway, this is a security-related mailing list and antisemitism
and antizionism are off topic: please stop boring us.

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE

From: Andy Markert (amarkertcablespeed.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 18:08:39 CDT

Your still continuing this gay ass discussion... DON'T respond and maybe it'll
put a stop to it.

=p

Andy

On Wednesday 21 July 2004 03:36 pm, whiplash wrote:
> J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > Any country that deliberately massacres civilians is, by definition,
> > guilty of genocide.
>
> You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.
> On the other side, anyone can easily demonstrate that Hamas and the so
> called Al Qaeda *deliberately* massacres civilians.
>
> Anyway, this is a security-related mailing list and antisemitism
> and antizionism are off topic: please stop boring us.
>
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RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE

From: J.A. Terranson (measlmfn.org)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 18:28:42 CDT

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, whiplash wrote:

> J.A. Terranson wrote:
>
> > Any country that deliberately massacres civilians is, by definition,
> > guilty of genocide.
>
> You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3023.htm

> Anyway, this is a security-related mailing list and antisemitism
> and antizionism are off topic: please stop boring us.

Agreed. Go away zionist troll.

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  about them." Osama Bin Laden
        - - -

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        - - -

Which one scares you more?

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Vulnerability in sourceforge.net

From: Dan Duplito (danduplitotechie.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 18:36:58 CDT

> nicolas vigier <boklmmars-attacks.org> wrote:
>
> It's not a mis-configuration, this does not allow you to look at any
> secret file, only the files that the user nobody can read.

well, user "nobody" has shell access (/bin/sh) and is allowed read access to /etc/passwd file and probably other system files as well.

i'm wondering if the discoverer (Alexander) already informed the authors of the app...

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RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE

From: whiplash (whiplashdespammed.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 19:14:45 CDT

J.A. Terranson wrote:

>>You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.
>
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3023.htm

And *sistematically*.
Take a look to the meaning of genocide.
I'm not a zionist zealot, by the way: I'm simply someone that used
to study history.
Qana was a crime, an atrocity.
Like in every bloody war: never heard about Dresda bombing, at the end of
the II WW?
And what about *some* tons of napam spreaded around the Vietnam?
But *genocide* remains something absolutely different, I'm sorry.

> Agreed. Go away zionist troll.

Pathetic.
You keep on flaming and misinforming on a security list and I'm the troll?
Get a life: no more answer on this list about this argument.

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[Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

From: Stormwalker (bruencoldrain.net)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 19:13:45 CDT

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3023.htm

Quoted from this website:
 "This web site represents the effort of one person. I need your help to
 offset the costs associated with site hosting and bandwidth usage. If you
 find this site informative please help by clicking here"

One man's opinion is hardly proof.

The Arab community has tried destroy Israel since its founding (approx.
3000 years ago, not 1948). They are simply defending themselves. If the
Palestinian Arabs would stop attacking Israel, then Israel would stop
attacking them. War is never pretty.

J.A. Terranson is just another anti-semite in a long history of
antisemites who does not know history and does not care about facts.

This is the only troll food I will supply to him.
 
> > Anyway, this is a security-related mailing list and antisemitism
> > and antizionism are off topic: please stop boring us.
> Agreed. Go away zionist troll.
>
>
>

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RE: [Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

From: Brad Griffin (b.griffincqu.edu.au)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 20:11:00 CDT

 I love a good us and them flame war.

Get with the f*ucking picture fools. History shows that almost every
country/society/culture has attempted to, or succeeded in destroying
another culture at various times in the past.

The British committed Genocide on Tasmanian aborigines less than 200
years ago. Indonesians tried to wipe out the East Timorese. That's just
two recent examples. Here we have someone talking about 3000 year old
history in 2004! What the fuck relevance does ancient history have to do
with the systematic destruction of another culture/society today? Sweet
fuck all your honour. If you are intent on using 3000 year old history
to make your point, you'd best start condemning the Spaniards to Hell
because they wiped out a number of South American societies not too long
ago too!

Face facts, the Israeli govt is slowly but surely destroying a society
with full backing of U.S. govt. The society being destroyed is fighting
back.

It doesn't matter *who* is at fault in the end because both sides are
killing children. Both should be condemned for that action.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-adminlists.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-adminlists.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Stormwalker
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:14 AM
To: J.A. Terranson
Cc: full-disclosurelists.netsys.com
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3023.htm

Quoted from this website:
 "This web site represents the effort of one person. I need your help to
offset the costs associated with site hosting and bandwidth usage. If
you find this site informative please help by clicking here"

One man's opinion is hardly proof.

The Arab community has tried destroy Israel since its founding (approx.
3000 years ago, not 1948). They are simply defending themselves. If the
Palestinian Arabs would stop attacking Israel, then Israel would stop
attacking them. War is never pretty.

J.A. Terranson is just another anti-semite in a long history of
antisemites who does not know history and does not care about facts.

This is the only troll food I will supply to him.
 
> > Anyway, this is a security-related mailing list and antisemitism and

> > antizionism are off topic: please stop boring us.
> Agreed. Go away zionist troll.
>
>
>

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RE: [Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

From: Brad Griffin (b.griffincqu.edu.au)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 20:18:18 CDT

 
Stormwalker claimed:
******************************

Quoted from this website:
 "This web site represents the effort of one person. I need your help to
offset the costs associated with site hosting and bandwidth usage. If
you find this site informative please help by clicking here"

One man's opinion is hardly proof.
*******************************

What a wonderful way to discredit a website that contains in it's
'intent':
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/intent.htm

/begin quoted text
What are your sources?

Wire-services, international press, readers, etc, etc..... Exactly the
same wire-services used by corporate media. The information contained in
this web site is content that other U.S. news sources prefer not to
provide to the American public.

Why do you believe that the public should trust you as a news source
over more commercial sources?
  
I don't believe that readers should trust any source of information.
Readers should gather information from alternate sources and use their
own intellect and judgment of the content to form opinions.

My purpose on this website is to inform, to offer information.

Unlike corporate media, I believe that people are capable of making
their own judgments, using their own intellectual ability rather than
been led around by the nose by "reliable sources" who claim to offer the
"truth".

/end quoted text

Your comment that 'One man's opinion is hardly proof' seems a tad inane
doesn't it? After all, the content of the site is *not* 'one man's
opinion'. It is a collection of articles from mainstream media agencies,
not one man's opinion. If you read the text you quoted, it says 'one
man's effort', it says absolutely nothing about 'opinion'.

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[Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

From: Brad Griffin (b.griffincqu.edu.au)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 20:28:25 CDT

 For the content challenged mail gateways all references to the f word
have been removed in this copy

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Griffin
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:11 AM
To: full-disclosurelists.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

 I love a good us and them flame war.

Get with the ******** picture fools. History shows that almost every
country/society/culture has attempted to, or succeeded in destroying
another culture at various times in the past.

The British committed Genocide on Tasmanian aborigines less than 200
years ago. Indonesians tried to wipe out the East Timorese. That's just
two recent examples. Here we have someone talking about 3000 year old
history in 2004! What the **** relevance does ancient history have to do
with the systematic destruction of another culture/society today? Sweet
**** all your honour. If you are intent on using 3000 year old history
to make your point, you'd best start condemning the Spaniards to Hell
because they wiped out a number of South American societies not too long
ago too!

Face facts, the Israeli govt is slowly but surely destroying a society
with full backing of U.S. govt. The society being destroyed is fighting
back.

It doesn't matter *who* is at fault in the end because both sides are
killing children. Both should be condemned for that action.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-adminlists.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-adminlists.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Stormwalker
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:14 AM
To: J.A. Terranson
Cc: full-disclosurelists.netsys.com
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3023.htm

Quoted from this website:
 "This web site represents the effort of one person. I need your help to
offset the costs associated with site hosting and bandwidth usage. If
you find this site informative please help by clicking here"

One man's opinion is hardly proof.

The Arab community has tried destroy Israel since its founding (approx.
3000 years ago, not 1948). They are simply defending themselves. If the
Palestinian Arabs would stop attacking Israel, then Israel would stop
attacking them. War is never pretty.

J.A. Terranson is just another anti-semite in a long history of
antisemites who does not know history and does not care about facts.

This is the only troll food I will supply to him.
 
> > Anyway, this is a security-related mailing list and antisemitism and

> > antizionism are off topic: please stop boring us.
> Agreed. Go away zionist troll.
>
>
>

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[Full-Disclosure] Redhat 9 PHP 4.2.2 update for the memory_limit vulnerability

From: Jeff Gillian (jeff.gilliangmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 20:18:42 CDT

Are there any PHP rpms out there for Redhat 9 that have the memory_limit fix?

I've been looking for hours and I haven't found anything that works
with RedHat 9.

Also, please don't ask me to install from source, it isn't an option
in this case.

Jeff

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[Full-Disclosure] Re: mi2g - fud, lies and libel

From: Siegfried (Siegfriedzone-h.org)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 21:16:16 CDT

yes or this works too:
http://www.mi2g.com/"<div%20align="center"><font%20size=60><img%20src="http://www.mi2g.com/images/headings/hdr_homepage.gif">&lt;--lol<br><br><br><b>Men%20In2%20Gayp%23rn<br>the%20pishers'%20best%20friend</font><br><br><br><br><br><br>ripping%20databases%20since%201995!%20(C)(R)

liked the "many idiots glued 2gether"

and btw Morning wood said that he didn't audit Wendy's drive up systems for
xss, but he promised he will!
this advisory was funny, just it, the only threat for mi2g is that they
can't find any subject to write news

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>
>maybe light hearted ones can too. Stick this in the search thing
>on the main page. Pretty sad:
>
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[Full-Disclosure] [OT] The Middle East Conundrum

From: J.A. Terranson (measlmfn.org)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 22:05:01 CDT

From: Stormwalker <bruencoldrain.net>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3023.htm
>
> Quoted from this website: "This web site represents the effort of one
> person. I need your help to offset the costs associated with site
> hosting and bandwidth usage. If you find this site informative please
> help by clicking here"
>
> One man's opinion is hardly proof.

The fact that you are actually going to question this shows your agenda.
Here: of the 17,000 references, pick one you trust.

> The Arab community has tried destroy Israel since its founding (approx.
> 3000 years ago, not 1948).

I am unconcerned with what happened 3000 years ago. The fact is that what
is happening TODAY is the systematic eradication of another race. I am
concerned that Israel is doing it, and I am concerned that my appointed
(this didn't even bother with the formality of election) goverment is
actively assisting. Why does this bother me? Because I have no reason to
be helping to kill these people. Because I don't want this to be the
[valid] cause of the retaliatory massacre of my own people (sorry - too
late there_. Because it's just flat out wrong.

> They are simply defending themselves. If the Palestinian Arabs would
> stop attacking Israel, then Israel would stop attacking them. War is
> never pretty.

Nobody has bought into that in YEARS. Those of us not personally involved
in the Israeli slaughter of civilians can see with our own eyes what is
really happening.

Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, it is not my governments job
to be propping up a country that participates in mass murder - remember
that this is *supposedly* one of the reasons we just invaded another
country. If we are willing to spend 4 trillion dollars to get rid of an
Arab government that behaves like this, then we should be willing to
*withhold* a few billion dollars from a government that behaves like this.

Let's face it - the two sides are quite happy killing each other off.
And as far as most of the world is concerned, at this point, it would be
no loss if they wiped each other out completely. But asking me to
participate is BS.

> J.A. Terranson is just another anti-semite in a long history of
> antisemites who does not know history and does not care about facts.

Ahhh yes... Anyone who does not support Israel blindly is an "antisemite".
Sorry ashhat - if that's what it makes me, then I wear it proudly.

> From: whiplash <whiplashdespammed.com>
>
> And *sistematically*. Take a look to the meaning of genocide.

OK. Let's do that:

        http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=genocide

        1. The systematic and planned extermination of an entire
        national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

> Qana was a crime, an atrocity. Like in every bloody war: never heard
> about Dresda bombing, at the end of the II WW?

Two points:

(1) That it has happened previously, to other people, can in no way excuse
it happening today;

(2) I wasn't alive in WWII, so I could not do anything about it. I am
alive now, and my idiot "president" is handing my hard earned money to a
country that is using it openly for the purpose of wiping out another
people. I have a moral duty to fight this. That you feel differently
says a lot about how you see the world.

> And what about *some* tons of napam spreaded around the Vietnam?

I was alive for that. And I also spent that period as a very outspoken
"dissident". Like today, I tried to do whatever I could to stop it. And
again, that you use previous occurances of evil to justify evil today is
very scary.

> But *genocide* remains something absolutely different, I'm sorry.

See link, above.

> From: Brad Griffin <b.griffincqu.edu.au>
>
> For the content challenged mail gateways all references to the f word
> have been removed in this copy
>
>
>
> I love a good us and them flame war.

Well, that makes two of us Brad :-)

> Get with the ******** picture fools. History shows that almost every
> country/society/culture has attempted to, or succeeded in destroying
> another culture at various times in the past.

While 100% true, cannot be used as a moral justification.

> The British committed Genocide on Tasmanian aborigines less than 200
> years ago. Indonesians tried to wipe out the East Timorese. That's just
> two recent examples. Here we have someone talking about 3000 year old
> history in 2004!

No. I am talking about TODAY. The repeated attempt to characterize the
middle east conflict as "2000 years old" is misleading and disingenuous:
the killing is happening TODAY.

> What the **** relevance does ancient history have to do with the
> systematic destruction of another culture/society today? Sweet **** all
> your honour. If you are intent on using 3000 year old history to make
> your point, you'd best start condemning the Spaniards to Hell because
> they wiped out a number of South American societies not too long ago
> too!

So, by this logic, we can discount anything that has happened in the past,
right?

(1) "Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it."

(2) If I go over to your house and rape your dog, beat up your wife, and
burn down your house, you should have nothing to say about it, becuase by
the time you find out, it will be "history".

(3) Just for my own edification, how old does something have to be under
your world view to be considered "immaterial"?

> Face facts, the Israeli govt is slowly but surely destroying a society
> with full backing of U.S. govt. The society being destroyed is fighting
> back.

BINGO.

> It doesn't matter *who* is at fault in the end because both sides are
> killing children. Both should be condemned for that action.

Agreed. But me and you are being made to foot the bill. And to prop up
these murdering scum when their respective countries would otherwise have
collapsed under the weight of their own acts.

This support makes us accomplices. It makes us combatants. It makes us
spend trillions of dollars trying to defend ourselves from an enemy that
we cant see or fight effectively.

"I have seen the enemy, and he is us".

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[Full-Disclosure] Tool: Hardening TCP/IP stack in Windows

From: pigrelax (pigrelaxyandex.ru)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 22:27:47 CDT

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Redhat 9 PHP 4.2.2 update for the memory_limit vulnerability

From: Marc Deslauriers (marcdeslauriersvideotron.ca)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 21:58:38 CDT

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 21:18, Jeff Gillian wrote:
> Are there any PHP rpms out there for Redhat 9 that have the memory_limit fix?
>
> I've been looking for hours and I haven't found anything that works
> with RedHat 9.

You can get a test build of php for Red Hat 9 from the Fedora Legacy
Project.

https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1868

They have not been QA'd yet, but they should work.

Please leave a comment in the bug report if they work for you.

Marc.

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] STOP - OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

From: James Bliss (james.blisscomcast.net)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 21:45:57 CDT

Enough

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Tool: Hardening TCP/IP stack in Windows

From: Andrew Farmer (andfarmteknovis.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 23:14:25 CDT

On 21 Jul 2004, at 20:27, pigrelax wrote:
> Very interesting program from Russia:
>
> Anti-Cracker Shield
>
> Introduction:
> The program is designed for protection from "exploits" (attacks
> possible
> because of vulnerabilities either of the operational systems, or of
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> system Anti-Cracker Shield will protect you from:

Do I smell snake oil?

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] [OT] The Middle East Conundrum

From: Paul Bauer (paulshorttermwhat.com)
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 23:37:39 CDT

Instead of Full Disclosure [OT]
How about sending it to a list that cares?

I don't read this list to get political insight. I don't read it to get
religious discussions.

Call me small minded, call me a zealot, whatever it is you call me; try,
just try, to have it have a shred of security related to it.

Hopefully we can now return to our regularly scheduled _security_ list.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 10:05:01PM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
>
>
> From: Stormwalker <bruencoldrain.net>

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE

From: Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider (rivgifinjan.com)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 00:28:49 CDT

You stupid man, how can you say that?!
You know how it is to live in Israel?
To go up on a bus hoping not to be bombed. Hoping every day that your
sister, mother and father
will not be bombed by terrorists. Living in fear knowing today when you will
eat in that restaurant
you may not go back home ?! to pay for your university high payments and
high taxes because
all of the country's cash is going for security.

I hate people who talk when they know nothing. Come live in Israel for 6
month, lets see
who is right, who is the murderer, lets see if you will even survive. Even
my math tutor was murdered
at a bombing, my sister got away by 2 minutes...you CANT IMAGINE how it is.

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.A. Terranson" <measlmfn.org>
To: "whiplash" <whiplashdespammed.com>
Cc: <full-disclosurelists.netsys.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE

>
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, whiplash wrote:
>
> > J.A. Terranson wrote:
> >
> > > Any country that deliberately massacres civilians is, by definition,
> > > guilty of genocide.
> >
> > You should proof that Israel *deliberately* massacres civilians.
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3023.htm
>
> > Anyway, this is a security-related mailing list and antisemitism
> > and antizionism are off topic: please stop boring us.
>
> Agreed. Go away zionist troll.
>
>
> --
> Yours,
>
> J.A. Terranson
> sysadminmfn.org
> 0xBD4A95BF
>
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>
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking Challenge?

From: a (aditya.deshmukhonline.gateway.technolabs.net)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 00:34:12 CDT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Youssef JAD" <youssefyoussefjad.net>
To: <full-disclosurelists.netsys.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking Challenge?

> Did you know that the statistics say that UNIX/Linux systems are more
> vulnerable than Windows 2003 Servers ?
> That's the reality, and you need to stick with it ;)

maybe i am feeding a troll, but i think that your statement is required to be backed up with some statistics and even they can made to say anything so somehow backed up with impartial ones with a source that can be cross checked ! otherwise such statements do not carry and weight and are not the reality

-aditya

                                                      
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] RE: mi2g - fud, lies and libel

From: a (aditya.deshmukhonline.gateway.technolabs.net)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 00:34:02 CDT

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> - --Tuesday, Thor Larholm tlarholmpivx.com wrote to full-disclosurelists.netsys.com

please dont spam the lists with all these useless info!

                                                      
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] A Popup! In Mozilla!

From: a (aditya.deshmukhonline.gateway.technolabs.net)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 00:34:18 CDT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave King" <davedavewking.com>
To: "James Woodcock" <spamtrap2austarnet.com.au>
Cc: "Full Disclosure" <full-disclosurelists.netsys.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] A Popup! In Mozilla!

> This isn't a normal "popup" in that it doesn't open a new browser
> window. All they're doing is placing this great animated gif over the

does it work with the latest version of mozilla ? 1.7 / 1.7.1 ?

                                                      
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Re: [Full-Disclosure] [OT] The Middle East Conundru

From: Martin Wasson (martofightingillini.com)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 01:21:17 CDT

AMEN! The argument con mucho gusto is refreshing, but outside the scope by a longshot. It does, however, give me an idea. What if we could get the Philistines and the Israelis to channel that anger into systematically bombing spammers into extinction? Hmmmm? We could paint one of those swirling deals on an AWACS disc, hypnotize them all, call something like this:

spammers == infidels == muslims

while [ spammers -gt 0 ]
do
        killall -9 spammers
done

The code may not be accurate, but you get the idea. Sounds like a win-win, huh?

SMARTACVS

>>Instead of Full Disclosure [OT]
>>How about sending it to a list that cares?
>>I don't read this list to get political insight. I don't read it to
>>get religious discussions.
>>Call me small minded, call me a zealot, whatever it is you call me; >>try, just try, to have it have a shred of security related to it.
>>Hopefully we can now return to our regularly scheduled _security_list.

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[Full-Disclosure] Web Site Responsibility, we'll help!

sans8732hushmail.com
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 01:06:43 CDT

http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2004-06-25

http://weblog.infoworld.com/foster/2004/07/17.html#a128

"From a consumer perspective, you'd like to see a Better Business
Bureau of the Internet where you can go find who has the best
security, but we're just not there yet," says Marcus Sachs, Director
of the Internet Storm Center of the SANS Institute. The compromised

websites -- which he says included a number of well known sites but

not, as rumored, biggies like eBay -- really aren't in a position to
identify themselves. "Culturally that's just not acceptable behavior
right now, and it would put the website at a great competitive
disadvantage. And it could expose the Internet to something akin to

the malpractice lawsuits you see in the medical field, and that could
derail everything."

   Well known sites aren't in a position to identify themselves
   and take responsibility for their servers? Here, courtesy of
   SANS, let me help them...

www.ardenb.com
www.armynavyshop.com
www.armynavyshop.us
www.auctionworks.com
www.bankfinancial.com
www.baseballusa.com
www.berkshirehathaway.com
www.ci.citrus-heights.ca.us
www.cruiseone.com
www.easternshorejobs.com
www.embassysuites.com
www.goldenram.com
www.gwinnettplacecid.com
www.hilton.com
www.hiltonhhonors.net
www.hookedonphonics.com (it werked for me!)
www.hop.com
www.ifc10.com
www.kbb.com
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[OT] Middle East (was Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE)

From: J.A. Terranson (measlmfn.org)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 00:48:55 CDT

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider wrote:

> You stupid man, how can you say that?!
> You know how it is to live in Israel?

I don't give a sh!t what it's like to live in Israel. You don't like the
violence, then either work to stop it, or move.

> To go up on a bus hoping not to be bombed. Hoping every day that your
> sister, mother and father will not be bombed by terrorists. Living in
> fear knowing today when you will eat in that restaurant you may not go
> back home ?!

I know *exactly* what that's like now. And it's because we support your
little country's killing regime that I am the recipient of that knowledge.
Because we have been stupid enough to stick our noses into your (and the
palestinians) dirty little war, we have become combatants, and by
extension, targets. So now I too have to worry about the very same things
you do.

> to pay for your university high payments and high taxes
> because all of the country's cash is going for security.

I've got news for you Rafel: I have OUTRAGEOUSLY high taxes (48%) too.
Also because of <drum roll> "all of the country's cash is going for
security"!

> I hate people who talk when they know nothing. Come live in Israel for 6
> month, lets see who is right, who is the murderer, lets see if you will
> even survive. Even my math tutor was murdered at a bombing, my sister
> got away by 2 minutes...you CANT IMAGINE how it is.

I don't want to live in Israel for 6 months, and I could care less how
awful it is: your two countries have decided to kill each other off - so
go do it. But leave me out of it. You want to die? Do it on your own.
Don't demand that I pay for your weapons. And while we're on that topic,
since I DO pay for your frigging weapons, you have ZERO right to
bitch that YOUR taxes are too high! So, should we just raise the US
taxes a little more, to ease your burden? What gives you the right
to demand that I lower YOUR taxes?

--
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadminmfn.org
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        - - -

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] A Popup! In Mozilla!

From: Szilveszter Adam (adamnhh.hu)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 01:09:18 CDT

a wrote:
> does it work with the latest version of mozilla ? 1.7 / 1.7.1 ?

Of course it does. Why shouldn't it?

Sz.

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Re: [OT] Middle East (was Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE)

roman.kunzjuliusbaer.com
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 02:01:11 CDT

at least lockheed martin will earn a hell lot of money and... hey, they
are paying taxes in the US too. BUT sorry, i forgot, they have
tax-reduction (check their product catalogue
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=9&rsbci=0&fti=126&ti=0&sc=400
- it's amazing how many different kind of bombs one can build).
btw, america is the biggest war supporter in the world; do you know why?

sorry for feeding...
---

I don't want to live in Israel for 6 months, and I could care less how
awful it is: your two countries have decided to kill each other off - so
go do it. But leave me out of it. You want to die? Do it on your own.
Don't demand that I pay for your weapons. And while we're on that topic,
since I DO pay for your frigging weapons, you have ZERO right to
bitch that YOUR taxes are too high! So, should we just raise the US
taxes a little more, to ease your burden? What gives you the right
to demand that I lower YOUR taxes?

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Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking Challenge?

From: Charles Heselton (charles.heseltongmail.com)
Date: Thu Jul 22 2004 - 02:13:43 CDT

> > Did you know that the statistics say that UNIX/Linux systems are more
> > vulnerable than Windows 2003 Servers ?
> > That's the reality, and you need to stick with it ;)
>
I would have to concur with everything said after this post. Where is
the link to the "statistics"? What validation is there for the data?
And if this is true......especially since linux took the #2 desktop OS
with 5% (yes 5%) of the population using it, are all/most of the
recent virii/trojans targeting unresolved Windows vulnerabilities?
Um...I think I answered myself......1) greatest distribution, 2) most
vulnerable.

Just my 2в.

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Charlie Heselton
Network Security Engineer

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From: Martin Wasson (martofightingillini.com)
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