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RE: [Full-Disclosure] The Hacker's Manifesto Reloaded
From: the entrepreneur (da_entrepreneuryahoo.com)
Date: Sat Sep 04 2004 - 08:11:40 CDT
> Are you trying to be ironic (sorry you appear to be
Am from Asia, so u loose the rest of argument...
Happens with Brits I say, ugh pathetic humor...puke!
> the so called regurgitated security seminars
> packaged as courses, by
> mutilating what was (and is) a seminal piece of
> thought published by the
> Mentor when you were still in nappies (or are they
> Is this a subtle troll to start us all off again on
> the useless and
> bandwidth wasting arguments between Bill Gates
> Buddies and Unix Zealots?
> Could your time be better spent developing
> understanding both within and
> without regarding the true state of the security
> surface, rather than
> regaling us with the IT boy band equivalent of a
> cover version (same tune,
> same sort of words, but only pre-pubescent girls are
> swooning with rapturous
> delight at your polysyllabic verbosity).
> The Hackers Manifesto, Reloaded. Yeah, with blanks!
> Please save your bragging for your ICQ buddies
> Apologies to the rest of the list for cluttering the
> space and raising the
> noise surface.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-adminlists.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-adminlists.netsys.com] On
> Behalf Of James Tucker
> Sent: 04 September 2004 00:24
> To: the entrepreneur
> Cc: full-disclosurelists.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] The Hacker's
> Manifesto Reloaded
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT), the
> <da_entrepreneuryahoo.com> wrote:
> > James,
> > A nice manifesto indeed. But it no way does it
> > correlates to the one which I have written (or
> > probably modified). Maybe the sarcasm is not
> > noticeable, maybe you missed it, maybe because we
> > different people altogether.
> > Well, I am here because I am anti-authoritative, a
> > negated personality (I hate to call it that
> > the fundamental idea of it's emergence was this
> > of negative activity, this was root for pete's
> > Maybe you supressed your impulses, or are
> > denying it.
> > Well its snonymous to rap songs, they are violent,
> > they are bad, but we listen, with that fetish look
> > eyes. Maybe you listen to it too or maybe not, but
> > there always one vantage point where you blow your
> > steam, about your very inner conscience.
> > My conscience was the conscinence of this
> > it manifests, the "hummm..." sound some people
> will do
> > when they read it. It's for them.
> > If not for them, lest it's for me.
> > EULA might not cover it (how can you miss the pun
> > there ?), but the First Amendment will. hehe.
> > Am I spared?
> > -Regards
> > The Entrepreneur
> > --- James Tucker <jftuckergmail.com> wrote:
> > > A short piece of food for thought for all you
> > > hackers out there. This
> > > is not an attack on your livelihood this is
> merely a
> > > point for your
> > > consideration.
> > >
> > > It (the manifesto) does not explain why this
> > > information is relevant
> > > for me to read. or maybe I am unable to
> > > the part that does,
> > > if so please teach this willing student.
> > >
> > > Your manifesto seems largely similar to those
> > > written by many others.
> > > The attacks upon the security industry (which is
> > > required, whether the
> > > techs are good or not is a different matter) are
> > > largely unqualified.
> > > Please do not forget that businesses are formed
> > > to the needs of
> > > other businesses or people and they serve
> > > this leads in a
> > > chain like manner back to the industries you
> > > choose not to
> > > attack.
> > >
> > > Tell me how would you feel if you successfully
> > > enough money that
> > > you crashed an economy and power generation also
> > > stopped. An unreal
> > > scenario I know, but tone this back down to
> > > and you realise
> > > that the things you are using are also directly
> > > related to the things
> > > you are trashing. In essence you are destroying
> > > own world.
> > >
> > > It is business that makes computers, it is power
> > > that feeds the
> > > factories, it is these peoples money that pays
> > > employees. The
> > > employees need health insurance if they want to
> > > survive, hospitals
> > > need their equipment, which in turn requires
> > > logistics for
> > > movement of physical items. The logistics
> > > need ISP's for
> > > their communications infrastructure, and banks
> > > manage their money.
> > > The trail goes on. Do you not realise that many
> > > the places you
> > > attack are merely part of the chain of business
> > > which supports the
> > > world that you love?
> > >
> > > A final point to further this, how far are you
> > > willing to go in
> > > causing people inconvenience? Every day people
> > > commit suicide due to
> > > stress caused to them in their business lives.
> > > Shutting down
> > > communications media, or any other business
> > > have this effect (or
> > > at least contribute). Even furthermore there are
> > > situations where your
> > > actions may more directly affect the safety of
> > > individuals. Continuing
> > > to do so may then be compared to attempted
> > > Still think you
> > > have any moral high ground?
> > >
> > > Finally the word manifesto means "a declaration
> > > intent". I was
> > > unable to see any intended actions stated. In
> > > what I read more
> > > resembled a boast of money gained by actions
> > > performed, and
> > > insult of lesser hackers and security
> > > For someone who
> > > should have a clear understanding of the need
> > > accurate
> > > understanding of language (most important when
> > > language is dealt
> > > with on a purely logical and explicit basis as
> > > a computer system)
> > > you seem to not care so much about the accuracy
> > > your written
> > > language.
> > >
> > > ---
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