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Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorialaboutrecentevents.(fwd)
From: GroundZero Security (fdg-0.org)
Date: Mon Dec 19 2005 - 01:18:27 CST
yeah if i still care in 25 years then we'll see. is everything going to be declassified after 25 years in usa ?
or does certain stuff stay classified ? i dont know how that works overthere so i thought i'd ask :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpolejcpa.com>
To: "GroundZero Security" <fdg-0.org>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorialaboutrecentevents.(fwd)
> Here is the fundamental problem - we do not know the circumstances
> under which the extralegal wiretaps were conducted. It is highly
> likely that the wiretaps did save lives - maybe even German lives.
> That is the point I have been trying to make all night. There are
> certain aspects of the operations of any government (even a Republic
> like the USA) that the general citizenry does not need to be privy
> to. I believe this to be one of those aspects. When this material
> is declassified in 25 years, we'll all know whether or not this was
> worth it.
> You are not going to convince me that my country is an evil place
> with designs on controlling or destroying the entire world, and I'm
> obviously not going to convince you that it isn't.
> On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:29 AM, GroundZero Security wrote:
> > let me put it this way. if you break the law to rescue people noone
> > would bitch about it.
> > that always happens that people bend the rules to rescue people.
> > thats perfectly fine but invading someones privacy is something
> > different.
> > the usa can invade any other country, but refuses to "invade" one
> > of their own states for the
> > only purpose to help its people without weapons but food? thats
> > redicilous. the usa got so much
> > power under their ass, but you want to tell me that the gov cant do
> > anything if one of its states
> > refuses help ? if the gov really would have wanted they could have
> > helped.
> > well at least you seem to agree on that this is wrong.
> >> And had he done that, the liberals would very likely now be asking
> >> whether or not it was legal for him to have done so. For the people
> >> that hate President Bush, nothing he does or does not do will be
> >> acceptable. It's as simple as that.
> > sure, but if he would have done that it would be way less people
> > bitching.
> > the whole world would have seen bush or the u.s gov cares so much
> > about their peoples
> > lifes and safety that they bend the rules in order to protect them.
> > for once bush could
> > have had a good picture in the world media. so while you would have
> > a handfull that
> > hate bush anyways arguing about the law (which wouldnt help them as
> > the u.s. court wouldnt listen),
> > you now got the whole world asking why the fuck they didnt react
> > and tons of american people
> > who feel left alone. i feel sorry for those poor americans. soon
> > your rights will be all gone
> > because 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper' no ?
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