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From: Joel R. Helgeson (joelhelgeson.com)
Date: Thu Sep 06 2007 - 18:13:54 CDT
Not sure if it came across in the email, but for the record: I love Russia,
Growing up in the cold war, I never figured out why we were supposed to fear
them. I loved the USSR Military hardware, admired how well it worked, the
elegant simplicity. The MIG-29 Fulcrum was astounding. My favorite plane
though was the F-15.
From: Timo Schoeler [mailto:timo.schoelerriscworks.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:17 PM
To: Joel R. Helgeson; full-disclosurelists.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What do you guys make of this?
thus Joel R. Helgeson spake:
>> There was a time in foreign policy where no country, no diplomat would
>> a foreign policy decision without first asking "what does Russia think of
> No. It was 'Soviet Union', not 'Russia'.
So what, America, USA, you know what I'm talking about
>> Well, Russia is no longer a super power,
> Well, actually, it is. It has thousands of nuclear warheads, it has more
> advanced fighter jets and bombers than the US, it has more advanced
> space technology and ICBMs, submarines, education & healthcare...
> It has _plenty_ of ressources the US has to go to war for (natural gas,
Overly simplistic thinking. Nations don't go to war over natural resources
anymore. In the 1930's, yes, a country was the sum total of its natural
resources - including people which were used for manual labor. Now, it is
the PEOPLE who create value now.
>> the fall from which left
>> Putin feeling excluded. He's always wanted to get Russia back to
>> status, he wants his Mother Russia to be significant again.
LOL, no, it's called reality.
>> For years, the Russian economy was cash strapped.
>No. It suffered from a few people that stole what the people's was.
It had no exports, no economy. The tax system was crazy so people simply did
not pay. This bankrupted the government.
>> Just recently Putin
>> revamped the entire tax system and implemented a 12% flat tax. For the
>> time since the collapse, the tax revenues are POURING in. They now have
>> enough gas to fuel a plane, and now they want to get back into being
>> as a superpower, to be 'feared', they desperately want to matter again,
>> be important.
I see you have no response to this.
>> So, they're acting out in an aggressive manner - using tried and true
>> war era tactics. It comes across to me as childish, throwing a fit just
>> get attention.
> If _that_ is childish, what is the US's behaviour then? Oh, sorry, I
> forgot: Children usually don't rape, kill and spread war^H^H^Hdemocracy.
America is doing what it has always done. Fighting for the freedom of
others. War is always ugly, but not as ugly as standing by and letting evil
>> It is not propaganda, Russia is just trying to say "We're
>> And this time, we've got 31337 H4x0rz!"
> Blah. Blahblah.
> Joel Helgeson
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