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Subject: Re: IDS: RE: Info needed to compare Axent ITA and ISS RealSecure
From: mhtclark.net
Date: Tue Jul 04 2000 - 19:03:56 CDT

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Well..

If you really want to get historical here. Digital Equipment produced an
in-house IDS product for themselves prior to 1992.. But since Digital was
not in the IDS market, they dropped it.. Now, if you look back this is the
same company that gave birth to VAXNOTES ( now Lotus Notes) and of course,
let's not forget the DecSeal, whic of course, everyone knows the
montrosities that grew out of that concept.. :)

The IDS market is about 5 years old more or less. It has been segmented
by the public into various segments depending on the snake/marketing type
folks spurt out on any given day.

Being first, doesn't really matter, alerting the right folks at the right
time is the name of the game. If an IDS product cannot validate an
organization's security architecture or security policy, then the product
might as well be a desert topping or door stop and/or both.

Detection, Actual Readable and understandable Reports, Correlation of
multi-trigger events and time to market is the name of the game.

ISS has been the leader for many years due sheer lack of competition not
because their product is bigger, badder or meaner. Axent, NAI are behind
the eight ball due to their swallowing/acquiring of the little folks.

So the race has now begun on who will be #2 and then #1..

Sales, Number of successful installations, and number of years an IDS
system is in place is all being measured.. :)

  

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Marcus J. Ranum wrote:

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> Mark Renfer <mrinetsec.ch> writes in response to some
> marketing guy from Axent who claims:
> ]> Axent has been in the business of IDS longer than any commercial
>
> >Well, our product SPECTER has been on the international market for
> >more than three years now, and it _is_ a commercial product. But I am
>
> Bill Hancock was selling some kind of VMS-oid IDS
> back in the early days of Network-1 (this would be ~1992 or
> so) and Steve Smaha's Haystack was selling Stalker around the
> same time. I dunno if Bill reads the list or would be willing
> to comment on any other commercial offerings that we on the
> market back then..
>
> Saying "We were the first IDS on the market" is a
> good way for a lot of vendors (ahem!) to show exactly what
> johnny-come-latelies they _really_ are. ;)
>
> mjr.
>