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From: Tyrannis Von Nettesheim (tyrannisWWC.COM)
Date: Mon Mar 05 2001 - 10:25:55 CST

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    I think this is in the realm of "plausible deniability" for the corporate
    types at the ISP, or generically any business. Usually when an event of
    massive scope has occurred, it takes some time for it to "float" up to
    corporate levels, and their default action from what I've perceived/seen is
    to head for corporate counsel and get some legal advice, as well as start
    crafting e-mails, press releases, etc., etc. should that be necessary.

    While we, stewards of security sanity, reward swift exchanges of
    information, the general investment public doesn't because they don't know
    what we know - the free and open exchange of verifiable information between
    verifiable entities swats problems faster than anything.

    It's a culture thing. *shrugs*

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Blake Frantz [mailto:blakeMC.NET]
    Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:08 PM
    Subject: Re: How to cope with, uhm, "mentally challenged" abuse
    personnel?

    Hello,

    I have experienced a similar situation with UU.net. A UU.net *router* was
    trying to communicate with one of our core routers via TCP on a wide range
    of arbitraty ports. When asked, UU.net responded with "The type of
    internet traffic you describe appears to be of normal origin." and
    referred me to RFC 792 (ICMP) - I almost fell off my chair. None the
    less, after we recieved their response the activity stopped. Purhaps this
    is the same in your case, a first level abuse manager sends out a generic
    email to passify wouldbe admins and escalates the incident. Just a
    thought.
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