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Date: Mon Jun 30 2003 - 02:44:26 CDT

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Forwarded from: Jon Miller <cio.nyusa.net>

I suppose we have a different view of what should be tolerated and
what should not amuse...

Maybe if you watched the planes crash into the WTC, and their
subsequent burn and collapse, live - not on TV; burying thousands,
including many of your friends, you might feel differently. Maybe I'm
a bit too sensitive about this (& my comments are of course my own and
not necessarily representative of my Agency.)

But specific to the "crime" I don't feel that his education and career
should be damaged as a result of what you call a prank, & said so in
my earlier post. Tolerating the impersonating of police officers (as
opposed to dressing in costume) is a bit different than running naked
through the streets, and should be treated as such.

_________________________________
Jon Miller, CISSP, GSEC
Chief Security Officer
The City of New York, HRA
Management Information Systems

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Subject: Re: [ISN] Student arrested for allegedly hacking university
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Forwarded from: Russell Coker <russellcoker.com.au>

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:50, Jon Miller wrote:
> That this student chose to use his skills to exploit a university
> computer system (not well known for security in general) is
> troubling. It wasn't by accident that he did this, and unless he's
> been living on another planet for the past couple of years, he knows
> that we don't and shouldn't have a sense of humor about such things.

Normally we don't have a sense of humor about public nudity, drunken
disorderly behaviour, vandalism, unlicensed radio transmission,
offensive language used in radio and public performances, and all the
other things that are well tolerated at university functions.

Even offenses such as impersonating police officers and theft
(although temporary) of police property are treated lightly when
performed by university students as part of a "prank".

Why should rigging an election be treated more seriously than the huge
number of other minor crimes committed by university students which
are often ignored by the police? It seems to me that a common police
practice when dealing with student pranks is to compell the students
to repair or pay for any damage that they cause and then let them off
with a warning.

Why not just get the student to clean the floors of the computer labs
for half a year? It will be enough punishment to deter them from
doing it again (often magistrates give less punishment), it will
provide some benefit to the university, and everyone will save the
time and effort that goes into prosecuting the case.

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