On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 06:30:41PM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>
> When someone implies/hints that the stock XFree86 code is better
> than what I spend 3/4 of my waking time working my ass off on,
> fixing and closing bugzilla reports, etc. and submitting patches
> back upstream, then indeed, that upsets me because they're
> implying that I am not doing my job.

Mike, I humbly apologize and beg your pardon for my very poor choice
of words in my previous post. I, perhaps more than most, am very aware
of the amount of time and effort you make generically, and Alpha
specifically, in supporting XFree86 for Red Hat.

What I should have said was: Try the pristine XFree86 sources, and if
that *does* build, then there's something (the original poster) didn't
understand about those RH sources or how to build them. Because I also
work very hard, to make sure that the pristine sources build on Alpha,
and want to know at anytime if anyone has trouble with *them*.

> I'd also like to add, that I was not involved with the recent
> Alpha work, however nonetheless I polled for Alpha patches, and
> spent at least several days of my own personal time to integrate
> those patches into XFree86, build, test/debug. I've been very
> responsive to upkeeping our XFree86 on Alpha, despite it being
> someone elses responsibility on Alpha.

Indeed, you have been instrumental in keeping XFree86 on RH Alpha at
least as high a quality as any other distribution, regardless of
architecture. Your efforts have been unquestionably above and beyond
the call of duty, for which I am very grateful.

> People who use the stock XFree86 code, either from source or
> binary, generally end up hosing their system due to the differing
> filesystem layout of the generic packaging, and nonetheless still
> file bug reports in our bugzilla also. This in turn makes my job
> even more difficult, as I try to reproduce a problem that was
> caused by something the user has done that they should not have,
> or that they should not have reported to us as it is outside of
> what we support.

Without question, it is the user's responsibility to know exactly what
that are working with and how it is to be used. If there's any
positive aspect to my uttering those ill-chosen comments, it is in
this discussion's making this assignment of responsibility explicit
and public. One should know what one is getting; there should be no
surprises.

> I am very insulted to see someone say "stay away from Red Hat
> XFree86 and use XFree86.org instead" after the effort I have
> expended. And especially so from where it came from.

Again, I sincerely apologize for my inexcusable comments.

--Jay++

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