From: Aftab Jahan Subedar (jahanbol-online.com)
Date: Sat Feb 21 2004 - 13:13:22 CST

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I would say using C in C++ compiler or C++ itself is best. come see my
http://www.DhakaStockExchangeGame.com , its totally written C++.

My upcoming NYSEGame.com is also using C++. This time I made 4 base
classes to handle the whole thing . Soon I will make those class public.

Pete McNeil wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Personally, I think it's a matter of choosing the best tool for the job.
> For myself and my team, Java is the work horse particularly - suited for
> rapid application development and when there is a strong cross platform
> requirement. This means that Java tends to dominate our utilities and
> user-interface code. When heavy lifting is required we move to C++.
>
> Java's object model is simplistic (both a strength and a weakness).
> C++ is extremely flexible and efficient.
> To a greater extent, C/C++ will let you do a lot of things you really
> shouldn't.
> Java isn't immune to this. After all, bad engineering is bad engineering.
>
> In both cases it's up to the programmer to keep things where they should
> be.
>
> As for seeing a lot of bad Java programs and a lot of bad C/C++
> programs... In my experience I've seen about the same of both... but a
> bad C/C++ program is less likely to survive deployment than a bad Java
> program.
>
> My $0.03.
> _M
>
> At 04:39 AM 2/21/2004, Franz, Fa. PostDirekt MA wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> this discussion is useless, object or procedure is not realy the
>> question.
>> You need to know how to build a good programm, if you cannot create a
>> good programm,
>> no matter what language.
>> The amount of realy bad java-programs (90% i have seen were realy bad)
>> shows,
>> that it is maybe not a good idea, to make programming to easy :o) .
>> There are a lot of people, thinkink a complex task is better done with
>> an oo-language.
>> My boss is this opinion and had already 2 memleaks in C++, he searched
>> for one
>> 6 weeks.
>> So the truth seems to be, that an oo-language (especially java) makes
>> it easy to
>> programm complex tasks, but what comes out in the end is worth.
>> I prefer TCL because on my opinion it is the best of both worlds
>> ( i never had a memleak except with a bad API written in C).
>> Complex tasks should be done from skilled programmers - thats all.
>>
>> mfg
>> Klaus
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Heikki Tuuri [mailto:Heikki.Tuuriinnodb.com]
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 21. Februar 2004 09:30
>> An: mysqllists.mysql.com
>> Betreff: C compared to C++/Java; Was: Re: InnoDB Hot Backup + MySQL
>> embedded?
>>
>>
>> Jochem,
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jochem van Dieten" <jochemdoli.tudelft.nl>
>> Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 2:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: InnoDB Hot Backup + MySQL embedded?
>>
>>
>> > Sasha Pachev wrote:
>> > > Heikki Tuuri wrote:
>> > >> C versus object-oriented lanuguages like C++/Java is a topic I have
>> > >> discussed a lot with programmers. I believe that traditional
>> procedural
>> > >> approaches and languages, like C, are the best for 'systems
>> programming', by
>> > >> which I mean implementing anything with complex data structures and
>> lots of
>> > >> parallelism. A DBMS is a typical example of such a complex program.
>> >
>> > >> 3) A weakness of C compared to Java is memory management. In C
>> you can
>> > >> easily write programs that leak memory or run over allocated
>> buffers.
>> In
>> > >> practice, it has turned out to be relatively easy to keep these
>> memory
>> > >> management bugs at a tolerable level in our C programs, so that a
>> move
>> to a
>> > >> language with automatic memory management is not needed.
>> > >
>> > > In Java is it easy to write a program that wastes large amounts of
>> > > memory, which is worse than a leak. In C, you are full from the
>> start,
>> > > and then you leak a drop at a time until you are empty. In Java , you
>> > > are empty from the start, and you have nothing to leak anyway even if
>> > > you could :-)
>> >
>> > http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/shah01java.html
>>
>> here is a .pdf version of the paper:
>> http://gist.cs.berkeley.edu/~mashah/java-paper/paper.pdf
>>
>> The authors used a 2 x Pentium III 667 MHz, Linux-2.2.16, Sun JDK 1.3,
>> and
>> Java HotSpot Server JVM 1.3.0. to implement a 'data-flow' query
>> processor.
>>
>> Their conclusion is that the memory management and the garbage
>> collection of
>> Java is inefficient. The graph that they present shows an up to 2.5-fold
>> performance degradation with the Java garbage collector, compared to
>> their
>> own tailored memory management system.
>>
>> I worked with Entity Systems Oy in the 1980s. We developed a Lisp
>> interpreter and a compiler, and a Prolog interpreter. At that time, the
>> inefficiency of the garbage collection in Lisp and Prolog was a serious
>> problem. I am not familiar with more modern garbage collection
>> algorithms,
>> but the paper of Shah et al. suggests that there are still problems
>> today.
>> In the 1980s, the research group of Mike Stonebraker initially started
>> implementing Postgres in a mixture of Lisp and C, but they later
>> abandoned
>> Lisp.
>>
>> > Jochem
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Heikki
>>
>> > --
>> > I don't get it
>> > immigrants don't work
>> > and steal our jobs
>> > - Loesje
>>
>>
>
>
>

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