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From: Mike Murray (mmurray_at_DORIAN.2Y.NET)
Date: Thu Aug 08 2002 - 12:45:47 CDT

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    On Thursday 08 August 2002 09:14 am, Deus, Attonbitus wrote:
    > Not withstanding the implications of exploiting privileged services, one
    > really has to question the validity of any exploit that first requires
    > malicious code to get onto the system.

    I have to respectfully disagree on this point.

    The fact is, we've seen a significant number of extremely useful and valid
    tools that run only locally. The LPC Ports vulnerability that was released a
    couple of years ago (and the corresponding exploit) was useful in any
    situation where an exploit gave local unprivileged access.

    Put simply, this is a local root exploit. We don't ignore these types of
    exploit for a *nix box; we shouldn't ignore them for a Windows box.

    The reason that "If you can get your code on the box, nothing else matters" is
    such a tautology is because of situations like this. There are a significant
    number of privilege escalation conditions that exist.

    That doesn't mean that we can/should disregard these conditions because
    they're numerous.

    As I see it, the most interesting possibility, with some of the hidden windows
    that services start as is the possibility of writing a piece of code which
    will run *without* requiring the GUI interaction that the current incarnation
    of shatter requires.

    Just a thought.

    M
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