Thanks...

So during boot, after usb detecten, and umass detection, and them scsibusX
activation.. it shows the stick as a scsi disk?
Any chance you could send me a snippet from dmesg?

And regarding lack of insert/remove messages. maybe that's why it's
called MagicGate(tm)... Windows just knows by pure magic.

Hey.. in windows.. did you ever use the silly jog dial on the vaio? I
always wished it would do something obvious, like change the volume on the
speakers...

At 09:32 PM 9/30/2002, you wrote:
>Yep, it's the umass one. And I should read more carefully.
>Because now as I recall, the last time I snagged data off a
>stick I had put the stick in at boot.
>
>I'll go run a quick test right now to eliminate doubt.
>Sigh, yep I can read data off it after insertion at boot
>and I do _not_ get insertion/extraction notification.
>
>I'm chasing another USB error with that laptop right now too,
>cause it isn't happy with with a flash disk that is ok
>under wintendo so since i'm getting jiggy with the
>usb sniffer and enabling driver diagnostic modes
>anyway.... I did some tracing.
>
>BTW It sucks when your usb sniffer makes your memory
>stick reader completely inoperable under Windows even
>after a reboot. Sigh... fortunately a new version of usb-sniff
>off sourceforge seems to work better.
>
>In case anyone cares I have a set of diagnostic traces
>from a kernel compiled with full on gory usb and umass diagnostics
>with the stick in at boot and with the stick out. In both cases I inserted
>and removed the stick which seemed to produce no traffic. I also
>have a win32 usb-sniff of stick access under windows if anyone
>wants but it doesn't look too enlightening - as it contains no
>notification traffic that I see.
>
>Neither under OBSD nor Windows does inserting or removing the
>memory stick produce a single peep over USB so whatever
>notification the stick device gives of inserts and ejects it doesn't
>look like it goes over usb. But windows somehow seems to know
>(whether by IRQ or system message queue or whatever) that a stick
>has been inserted. Now maybe the win32 usb sniffer and the obsd
>kernel diagnostics do not pick up the messages, but I'm now looking
>for some windows message queue sniffer so I can try to identify
>just what the notification mechanism is... cause i want to be able
>to switch memory sticks too!
>
>So in any case it doesn't look like the fault lies in umass with mem
>stick notifications on the VAIO. However the fact that umass does
>not like my usb flash disk is another matter. Just in case anyone
>cares about this I've also have win32 sniffs and obsd diagnostics
>from my flash disk. Email me if they are of any use to you.
>
>But it doesn't sound like anyone else is really working on fixing either
>of these issues and I am left to my own devices. It looks like fixing
>VAIO mem sticks isn't quite straightforward so I'm not holding my
>breath for it soon :(. The usb flash disk OTOH should be fixable
>more easily I hope.... If anyone else cares - mail me and
>I'll keep you posted if I make any progress.
>
>sigh,
>--dr
>
>On September 28, 2002 12:42 pm, Dennis Edwards wrote:
> > I'm not aware of any variation whatsoever in the z505le/ls range.
> >
> >
> > Dragos? Is yours the USB mass storage one?
> > I explained mine was umass when this thread started...
> >
> > At 04:28 AM 9/28/2002, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > > > On September 27, 2002 07:21 am, Mark Hoff wrote:
> > > > > Well.. that's what I wanted to hear... thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have the same model Vaio as I do? z505le (or ls, same thing
> > >
> > > really).
> > >
> > > > > If I boot without the stick in, I get a sense error... if I insert
> > > > > the stick, I get no indications of any kind that it's been detected.
> > > > > If I insert and remove the stick, there is also no indication or
> > > > > change.
> > > >
> > > > Hum, z505ls, memory sticks work fine. just pre-3.2ish -current.
> > >
> > >There are at least 3 varients of the Sonly memory stick interface.
> > >
> > >The first type sat on the 2nd IDE bus of the pciide interface.
> > >The second type sat on the PCI bus as a unique device (no docs).
> > >The third type is a umass usb device.
> > >
> > >Depends what laptop you have. Can't even use the z505xx names, since some
> > >models changed a lot without changing xx names.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis.
>
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