From: Adam (suckmy-balls.com)
Date: Mon Nov 01 2004 - 17:26:40 CST

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On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 11:12:43PM +0100, Per-Olov Sjöholm wrote:
> Do not use products from antivir.de. Use the same product from centralcommand.
> The stable products are moved over to central command. There are a reason why
> for example the Solaris product is not sold at the centralcommand site...
> it's not stable. But the Vexira for OpenBSD is rock solid....

No, it is not. It worked fine when I tested it out on a very low volume
mail server. But when we actually paid thousands of dollars for it, and
tried to use it on our real mail server, serving lots of mail, it blew
up. Horribly. Over and over again. And Central Command would not even
attempt to look into the problem, much less fix it.

> B t w, isn't the Milter included directly in the daemon just as the Trend
> Micro Milter product? It is.... So I do not understand how you would write
> your own milter for it? It's not like clamd where you have to use a
> standalone milter connector.... Have you really tested the milter product for
> OpenBSD?

Yes I have, have you? Anyone can easily go download the free eval and
see that it has vamilter as the milter program, which uses vexira to do
the scanning. I was hoping to write a replacement for vamilter which
would not crash and hang randomly, as well as reduce the load on vexira,
hoping it would at least crash less as a result. Vexira would often
return undocumented return values however, and would randomly stop
scanning messages even with my test milter.

> What we have used at many sites with great success is Sendmail with the Vexira
> Milter product. This together with smtp-vilter and spamassassin. All running
> perfect on OpenBSD and never ever any stops.. We have used it on VERY high
> mail volumes.

Maybe your definition of high mail volume isn't the same as mine? Or
maybe they fixed it since May when I tried it. The fact is, it was
horribly broken, and their support consisted of "oh well, nothing we can
do about it". I can't recommend dealing with a company with such bad
support for customers paying so much money. In comparison, RAV worked
perfectly on this exact mail server, until MS bought them, shut them
down, and we had to find an inferior replacement solution.

> ClamAV on the other hand have now also been a very reliable product. We use
> that one as well with very good results.

This would definately lead me to believe you don't know what high volume
mail is. ClamAV is also not stable on OpenBSD under heavy mail loads,
it just crashes far less than vexira, and it only crashes, not just
keeps running but not working, so you can use monitoring software to
automatically restart it at least.

Adam

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