From: Adam (suckmy-balls.com)
Date: Fri Dec 17 2004 - 17:34:53 CST

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On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 04:14:58PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> No. You are not someone who is pointing out a way to improve OpenBSd.
> You are someone who is demanding that we give up our principles, support
> hardware for a device that is made by a vendor that has been lying to us
> for 6 years. And quite frankly, NO openbsd developer has any interest
> in supporting their junk, with their locked in licenses, period.

I take it reading is too hard for you? I never demanded anything. I
asked a simple fucking question, if I port the driver that works, will
you guys act like children and insist on keeping your broken driver
instead? And of course, their "locked in license" is standard 2 clause
BSD, as I have pointed out repeatedly. I'm sure you know as well as I
do there is already FreeBSD code in OpenBSD, and you are pretending
there is an issue that doesn't exist.

> 3ware lied to us, and the bad taste has not gone away.

So, why do you support intel hardware then? Shouldn't the em, fxp, iwi,
etc be removed, since you don't like them?

> .The fact is, there is a 2
> >clause BSD licensed driver that you could look at to see how to make
> >your driver work if you wanted to. So why do you insist on making up
> >"non-free" boogeymen to mislead people?
>
> Mickey is not interested. Why do you persist? Do you think you are
> going to convince him?

Because its stupid for him (and you) to start blathering on about all
this non-free, bad license bullshit in response to a simple question,
about porting BSD licensed code.

> Hell, I don't know of anyone who will want to work on the 3ware stuff,
> since there's this millitant asshole on the list who pesters. You.

That's nice, nobody is asking you to do anything. I'm sure there is
plenty in the world you can legitimately whine about, why do you insist
on whining about things you pretend I have said or want?

> I veto any binary controlled management like this from this specific
> vendor. Period. End of discussion. It will not happen.

Binary controlled management like what? You are intentionally ignoring
what I actually asked about, I don't want management software for any
vendor, and I don't understand why you suddenly need to proclaim this
veto when the existing policy is already quite clear. Maybe you could
try reading my question, or replying to whoever you are talking to
instead of me.

To be as clear as possible, for the last time:
The open source freebsd driver is able to rebuild arrays, and the exact
same licensed openbsd driver cannot. Would a port of the freebsd driver
be accepted, or not? Note the complete lack of binary, closed source,
or management utility anywhere in this question. The code I am talking
about is here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/twe/

Adam

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