From: Jon R H (webmasterweb-tricks.net)
Date: Fri Sep 01 2006 - 15:15:09 CDT

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There is no way anybody can "win" from any of this!
That's the worst part of it all!

all BSD's will & are suffering!

The future is always looking back to see what it has to work with!
There is no future with out a past!

The software its self ( BSD's) is smarter them the ones making it.
Thats the point of failure (humans), the weak link in all of it !

Just having "safe by defalt" rule proves nothing!
The software is only as safe as the "minds" who "made" it
The point of failure is to think it is safe!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Guenther" <kousuegmail.com>
To: "OpenBSD-Misc" <miscopenbsd.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD

> On 8/30/06, Charles M. Hannum <mycroftmit.edu> wrote:
>> The NetBSD Project has stagnated to the point of irrelevance. It has
>> gotten to the point that being associated with the project is often
>> more of a liability than an asset. I will attempt to explain how this
>> happened, what the current state of affairs is, and what needs to be
>> done to attempt to fix the situation.
>>
> [snip]
>>
>> Much of this early structure (CVS, web site, cabal, etc.) was copied
>> verbatim by other open source (this term not being in wide use yet)
>> projects -- even the form of the project name and the term "core". This
>> later became a kind of standard template for starting up an open source
>> project.
>>
>
> That's very interesting history, if true (and I don't see why it
> wouldn't be)! Don't feel bad then, if you have accomplished that.
>
> [snip]
>
>> --
>>
>> At this point most readers are probably wondering whether I'm just
>> writing a eulogy for the NetBSD project. In some ways, I am -- it's
>> clear that the project, as it currently exists, has no future. It will
>> continue to fall further behind, and to become even less relevant. This
>> is a sad conclusion to a project that had such bright prospects when it
>> started.
>>
>> I admit that I may be wrong about this, but I assume that most people
>> who have contributed to NetBSD, and/or continue to do so, do not desire
>> to see the project wallow away like this. So I will outline what I
>> think is the only way out:
>>
> [snip]
>
> *cough*Most of these ideas have been in the OpenBSD culture from the
> beginning*cough*
>
>> - Charles Hannum - past founder, developer, president and director of
>> The NetBSD Project and The NetBSD Foundation; sole proprietor of The
>> NetBSD Mission; proprietor of The NetBSD CD Project.
>>
>> [I'm CCing this to FreeBSD and OpenBSD lists in order to share it with
>> the wider *BSD community, not to start a flame war. I hope that people
>> reading it have the tact to be respectful of their peers, and consider
>> how some of these issues may apply to them as well.]
>>
>
>
> Um. Wow. I think Theo wins.
>
> -Nick

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