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Re: addon to website faq

From: Nick Holland (nickholland-consulting.net)
Date: Fri Aug 06 2010 - 11:14:09 CDT


I'm hesitant to provide detailed guidance in the use of Linux-based
solutions, as verifying they still work release after release (of
OpenBSD and all the various linux distributions and all the hosting
options) just won't happen by me, and I'll never hear from you again
after it is committed.

I'm also a bit dubious about anything which involves qemu as a solution,
as I've seen too many people immediately jump on using qemu when much
easier and simpler ways of doing the same thing exist (i.e., "use
another computer"). This may be appropriate in this case, or maybe not,
your outline was full of qemu-isms and such that I'm not familiar with.
 Yes, it is a neat project, but it is too often treated as the solution
in search of a problem. Keep in mind, the goal here is to install
OpenBSD on a remote machine which has Linux on it, not to become a qemu
expert, and I'd also suggest not assuming someone is a Linux expert.

Very brief links to well-maintained external sites would probably be
more appropriate. Directions should be very "understanding" based, not
"type this and don't ask why".

Note that we already have 4.13, which I think is a more appropriate
location than faq9.html (this is about "how do I install", not "how is
this different from other Unix-like OSs").

Nick.

On 08/05/10 08:11, Matthew Gladkikh wrote:
> Aha ok what about incorporating both of this solutions in FAQ? - the way I
> described is absolutely native and easy - works on most linux systems as QEMU
> and it's VNC is working fine by default - and installation is absolutely
> straightforward as described in FAQ - the only things need to be fixed later -
> virtual - the names of hdd device and virtual network interface to real ones.
> This is really simple but there is no info on this on the net.
>
> There are really not so many OpenBSD hosting providers on the planet but most
> good ones do not object if owner will setup OpenBSD himself.
>
> Lets write both "dd" and "qemu" way in FAQ, aha?
>
> Cheers,
> Mot
>
> On Aug 5, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Olivier Mehani wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 01:31:41PM +0400, Matthew Gladkikh wrote:
>>> Hello, I would like to add some usefull tip to
>>> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq9.html
>>> It is how to convert existing linux machine to openbsd on hosting
> providers
>>> that do not provide openbsd support but do provide rescue mode.
>>> It is simple like starting obsd install in qemu (in rescue cd mode),
> accessing
>>> it via vnc, installing, fixing /etc/fstab /etc/hostname.if and rebooting
> whole
>>> server to openbsd system.
>>> Is it interesting addon?
>>
>> The situation seems to be more and more frequent. However, the qemu then
> VNC
>> solution may ne be the most effcient.
>>
>> I recently had that problem and use Yaifo [0] which, provided one
>> already working OpenBSD system (or a quick install thereoy in your
>> favorite VM), can build an install image from the source which has the
>> install script running over SSH.
>>
>> You then just have to dd that image at the beginning of the disk of the
>> target machine using its rescue mode. When you have rebooted, you only
>> need to SSH into that machine and proceed through a completely standard
>> installation.
>>
>> [0] http://erdelynet.com/tech/yaifo/yaifo-4-7-beta/
>>
>> --
>> Olivier Mehani <shtromssji.net>
>> PGP fingerprint: 4435 CF6A 7C8D DD9B E2DE F5F9 F012 A6E2 98C6 6655