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Date: Thu Feb 01 2001 - 18:51:13 CST

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    php-general Digest 2 Feb 2001 00:51:13 -0000 Issue 487

    Topics (messages 37626 through 37763):

    Inappropriate ioctl for device
            37626 by: Kif

    Re: upload_max_filesize
            37627 by: Jon Haworth
            37648 by: WreckRman2
            37651 by: WreckRman2
            37756 by: David Robley
            37757 by: David Robley

    Easy flowchart programm
            37628 by: Wico de Leeuw
            37633 by: Trevor DeVore

    Re: Directory Listing with PHP
            37629 by: Tim Ward

    How does memory limit work?
            37630 by: Ralf Hupfer

    Re: Pricing for PHP programming???
            37631 by: Brian V Bonini
            37635 by: Joe Stump
            37637 by: Michael Kimsal
            37645 by: Krznaric Michael
            37652 by: Brian V Bonini
            37667 by: thor
            37670 by: Jon Haworth
            37673 by: Jerry Lake
            37699 by: Terrence Chay
            37700 by: Boget, Chris
            37701 by: Chana Black
            37703 by: szii.sziisoft.com
            37719 by: James Moore
            37721 by: Jade Ohlhauser
            37760 by: Miles Thompson

    Odd problem
            37632 by: Dan Lowe

    NEWBIE QUESTION
            37634 by: Stinie Steinbach
            37646 by: Johannes Janson

    PHP and report generation
            37636 by: Todd Cary

    Tab character
            37638 by: Karl J. Stubsjoen
            37639 by: Martin A. Marques
            37644 by: Toby Miller
            37658 by: Alexander Skwar
            37659 by: Alexander Skwar
            37754 by: David Robley

    [Q] Domxml: unlink() method?
            37640 by: Peter Sabaini
            37689 by: Teodor Cimpoesu

    Problems getting Zend IDE to run.
            37641 by: Neil Kimber

    Re: Symbolic link fails when User Authentication comes in
            37642 by: johnny p.

    Performance hit with certain apache configs?
            37643 by: Robinson, Mike

    Re: test
            37647 by: Jon Haworth

    Setting The Font In SENDMAIL
            37649 by: Jeff Gannaway
            37656 by: Chris Lee

    Help needed tsrm_error
            37650 by: Tony Brown

    Cant get this one
            37653 by: Mike
            37663 by: Chris Lee
            37708 by: Shane McBride

    Re: Oracle failed to connect
            37654 by: Iván Sánchez Ortega \"MR\"

    Re: Is there a 'redo' loop control function?
            37655 by: Jason Murray

    Nulls in database
            37657 by: Conover, Ryan
            37664 by: Juan

    test, please ignore.
            37660 by: Zhu George-CZZ010

    Email Attachment
            37661 by: Website4S.aol.com

    Transitioning from php3 to php4
            37662 by: Chana Black

    Suggest for List
            37665 by: Jon Jacob
            37677 by: Chris Lee
            37678 by: Boget, Chris
            37682 by: Chris Lee
            37691 by: April
            37695 by: Benjamin Munoz
            37697 by: April
            37702 by: Philip Olson
            37705 by: April
            37710 by: Philip Olson
            37712 by: Brian Paulson
            37716 by: Leo Papandreou

    php4 - MS SQL7 connection problem
            37666 by: Martin Tiscornia
            37668 by: Jason Bouwmeester

    Open a new window
            37669 by: Francisco Aguilera

    trouble with odbc
            37671 by: Michael Geier
            37683 by: Remco Chang

    Include " quotes inside textbox
            37672 by: Karl J. Stubsjoen
            37676 by: Chana Black

    Re: [PHP-WIN] Nulls in database
            37674 by: Svensson, B.A.T.

    Re: 404 error checker
            37675 by: Institute for Social Ecology
            37693 by: John Huggins
            37696 by: Institute for Social Ecology
            37698 by: John Huggins

    Java variables - PHP varialbles
            37679 by: Claude Cormier

    contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")
            37680 by: Dean Hall
            37692 by: Benjamin Munoz
            37704 by: szii.sziisoft.com
            37706 by: szii.sziisoft.com
            37707 by: DELAP, SCOTT F (SBCSI)
            37713 by: Navid
            37727 by: Chad Day
            37732 by: Stephan Ahonen
            37734 by: Josh G
            37735 by: stankusn
            37736 by: Joe Stump
            37738 by: cmoewes.moewes.com
            37742 by: eschmid+sic.s.netic.de
            37744 by: Jonathan Sharp
            37745 by: stout.stoutstreet.com
            37752 by: Michael Kimsal

    Re: gethostbyaddr timeout
            37681 by: Sebastian Stadtlich
            37686 by: Chana Black

    errors when included functions call functions
            37684 by: Charlie Llewellin

    passing arrays of objects
            37685 by: Conover, Ryan
            37690 by: Teodor Cimpoesu

    similar to shuffle()
            37687 by: Jason Jacobs
            37688 by: Chana Black

    htmlspecialchars Problem
            37694 by: Karl J. Stubsjoen
            37753 by: David Robley

    sessions with frames
            37709 by: Chris Hayes
            37714 by: Nathan Cook

    details on imap functions.
            37711 by: Larry Hotchkiss
            37717 by: Rasmus Lerdorf
            37722 by: Larry Hotchkiss

    is_dir() function on Win32 platform
            37715 by: Michael Hall

    PHP/Perl Employee/Consultant Wanted!
            37718 by: Lew Payne

    Inappropriatte ioctl
            37720 by: Kif

    cancel <3A79D543.779F9F37unicap.com>
            37723 by: Larry Hotchkiss

    Re: VIRUS ON LIST?
            37724 by: Stephan Ahonen

    Re: Want to learn PHP
            37725 by: Stephan Ahonen

    rephrasing: start session in frame-index, continue in pages
            37726 by: Chris Hayes

    dll windows libraries for php.
            37728 by: Scott Fletcher
            37737 by: Rasmus Lerdorf
            37741 by: Scott Fletcher

    Recommended Job Posting sites? Need to hire someone w/ PHP exp.
            37729 by: Brian Tully
            37743 by: John Donagher

    Variables within functions, out?
            37730 by: James, Yz
            37758 by: David Robley

    HTTP Referer has to be changed.
            37731 by: FvH

    Closing Objects "Cleaning Up"
            37733 by: Karl J. Stubsjoen
            37750 by: David Robley
            37751 by: Josh G

    Why?? SPRINTF("SELECT sequence,prodnum,childdesc....);
            37739 by: Karl J. Stubsjoen

    C++ integration with PHP
            37740 by: Zhu George-CZZ010

    Retrieve HTML page
            37746 by: Jared Howard
            37747 by: Mark Green
            37748 by: James, Yz
            37749 by: Kif

    Dnloading FDF docs / acrobat integration
            37755 by: Patrick Shafer

    What version of Linux?
            37759 by: Andrés de la Varga

    PHP a lightweight language?
            37761 by: Michael Hall

    Files only available via HTTPS
            37762 by: Michael Conley

    encode string with spaces
            37763 by: Kevin McCarthy

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    help...
    ok, now this looks quite straightforward...

    $filename="http://195.92.38.87/cgi-win/homeview.dll?details1?src=1050&Proper
    tyCode=1050003/SAPHI/14665/3";
    $file=fopen($filename,"r") or die("cant open $filename");
    while(!feof($file)){
    $line=fgets($file,4096);
    echo $line;
    }

    but when i run it i get an error

    fopen("http://195.92.38.87/cgi-win/homeview.dll?details1?src=1050&PropertyCo
    de=1050003/SAPHI/14665/3","r") -
    Inappropriate ioctl for device in /home/httpd/docs/test.php on line 6

    So can someone please tell me, what the blazes an ioctl is and why do i have
    an inappropriate one?

    The remote file is fine,

    Thanks

    Kif

    attached mail follows:


    It's usually in your system root, but you could have put it somewhere else
    when you installed PHP.

    If you're on Windows it's liable to be in \windows\system,
    \windows\system32, \winnt\system, or \winnt\system32. Most OSes come with a
    Find Files command these days (just a thought).

    Once you have found it, open it in your favourite text editor. Search for
    "upload_max_filesize" and set it to whatever you like. Save it. Tell your
    boss you'll have to spend all afternoon fixing this bug, then spend the rest
    of the day reading Dilbert cartoons.

    HTH
    Jon

    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Smith [mailto:webmasterindywebdesign.com]
    Sent: 01 February 2001 11:45
    To: php-generallists.php.net; jbangstrom.uu.se
    Subject: Re: [PHP] upload_max_filesize

    Sorry, that isn't very detailed but I appreciate your help. Where can I find
    php.ini?

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jonatan Bagge <jbangstrom.uu.se>
    To: David Smith <webmasterindywebdesign.com>
    Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 6:41 AM
    Subject: Re: [PHP] upload_max_filesize

    > David Smith wrote:
    >
    > > Can anyone explain in detail how I can increase the upload_max_filesize
    to 5 meg instead of the default 2 meg?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > David
    >
    > php.ini
    >

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    Actually it isn't on a windows system. Looking at my phpinfp.php file it shows "Configuration File (php.ini) Path" as /usr/local/lib but I see no file called php.ini in there using ftp or telnet. Any ideas?

    David

    ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Haworth <JHaworthwitanjardine.co.uk> To: 'David Smith' <webmasterindywebdesign.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] upload_max_filesize

    > It's usually in your system root, but you could have put it somewhere else > when you installed PHP. > > If you're on Windows it's liable to be in \windows\system, > \windows\system32, \winnt\system, or \winnt\system32. Most OSes come with a > Find Files command these days (just a thought). > > Once you have found it, open it in your favourite text editor. Search for > "upload_max_filesize" and set it to whatever you like. Save it. Tell your > boss you'll have to spend all afternoon fixing this bug, then spend the rest > of the day reading Dilbert cartoons. > > > HTH > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Smith [mailto:webmasterindywebdesign.com] > Sent: 01 February 2001 11:45 > To: php-generallists.php.net; jbangstrom.uu.se > Subject: Re: [PHP] upload_max_filesize > > > Sorry, that isn't very detailed but I appreciate your help. Where can I find > php.ini? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonatan Bagge <jbangstrom.uu.se> > To: David Smith <webmasterindywebdesign.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 6:41 AM > Subject: Re: [PHP] upload_max_filesize > > > > David Smith wrote: > > > > > Can anyone explain in detail how I can increase the upload_max_filesize > to 5 meg instead of the default 2 meg? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > David > > > > php.ini > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    Sure, it is a dedicated RaQ3 server, running Linux/Apache, in which I didn't do the PHP install myself. I believe it not to be a dummy account because it shows:

    * NOTICE TO ROOT USER: Changes to system files may affect * * your warranty. Please consult your warranty card for details. * * * * http://www.cobaltnet.com

    at login... Below is my phpinfo script.

    http://www.indywebdesign.com/phpinfo.php

    Thanks...

    ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Haworth <JHaworthwitanjardine.co.uk> To: 'WreckRman2' <wreckrman2combatfs.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] upload_max_filesize

    > Where did you put it when you installed PHP? > > If you didn't install PHP, but you're telnetting into a remote server, are > you sure it's not showing you a dummy shell? You may have to ask your > hosting company nicely to make the change for you. > > Can we have some more details of your OS, configuration, and whether you're > responsible for the PHP installation? > > Cheers > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: WreckRman2 [mailto:wreckrman2combatfs.com] > Sent: 01 February 2001 16:07 > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] upload_max_filesize > > > Actually it isn't on a windows system. Looking at my phpinfp.php file it > shows "Configuration File (php.ini) Path" as /usr/local/lib but I see no > file called php.ini in there using ftp or telnet. Any ideas? > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jon Haworth <JHaworthwitanjardine.co.uk> > To: 'David Smith' <webmasterindywebdesign.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:07 AM > Subject: RE: [PHP] upload_max_filesize > > > > It's usually in your system root, but you could have put it somewhere else > > when you installed PHP. > > > > If you're on Windows it's liable to be in \windows\system, > > \windows\system32, \winnt\system, or \winnt\system32. Most OSes come with > a > > Find Files command these days (just a thought). > > > > Once you have found it, open it in your favourite text editor. Search for > > "upload_max_filesize" and set it to whatever you like. Save it. Tell your > > boss you'll have to spend all afternoon fixing this bug, then spend the > rest > > of the day reading Dilbert cartoons. > > > > > > HTH > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Smith [mailto:webmasterindywebdesign.com] > > Sent: 01 February 2001 11:45 > > To: php-generallists.php.net; jbangstrom.uu.se > > Subject: Re: [PHP] upload_max_filesize > > > > > > Sorry, that isn't very detailed but I appreciate your help. Where can I > find > > php.ini? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jonatan Bagge <jbangstrom.uu.se> > > To: David Smith <webmasterindywebdesign.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 6:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [PHP] upload_max_filesize > > > > > > > David Smith wrote: > > > > > > > Can anyone explain in detail how I can increase the > upload_max_filesize > > to 5 meg instead of the default 2 meg? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > php.ini > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:37, WreckRman2 wrote: > Actually it isn't on a windows system. Looking at my phpinfp.php file it > shows "Configuration File (php.ini) Path" as /usr/local/lib but I see no > file called php.ini in there using ftp or telnet. Any ideas? > > David

    php.ini is not installed - you need to modify php.ini-dist or php.ini-optimized from the top level directory of your source and place it in the directory you have specified at compile (if you did) or the the default (/usr/local/lib) location.

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    On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:32, David Robley wrote: > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:37, WreckRman2 wrote: > > Actually it isn't on a windows system. Looking at my phpinfp.php file > > it shows "Configuration File (php.ini) Path" as /usr/local/lib but I > > see no file called php.ini in there using ftp or telnet. Any ideas? > > > > David > > php.ini is not installed - you need to modify php.ini-dist or

    I mean, of course php.ini is not installed by the compile/install process; you need to do it yourself. If you don't, PHP uses built in defaults.

    -- 
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    Hiya

    Anyone knows a flowchart program that's very easy in use and good for programming (in php) I saw programms like viso and stuff i think there a better en easier in use programms to make a good programm flow.

    Greetz,

    Tnx in advance

    WIco

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    At 02:11 PM 2/1/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hiya > >Anyone knows a flowchart program that's very easy in use and good for >programming (in php) >I saw programms like viso and stuff i think there a better en easier in >use programms to make a good programm flow.

    If your looking for something really easy there is Inspiration (www.inspiration.com) for Mac and Windows. It isn't a UML program but allows you to through together flowcharts quickly and easily and isn't too expensive.

    Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia

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    don't know what apache does but this will give you everything below the pathn you pass in.

    function sitemap($ddPath) { $dhandle = opendir($ddPath); echo("<ul>"); while ($ddFile = readdir($dhandle)) { if ($ddFile == "." or $ddFile == "..") continue; // trap . and .. echo("<li>".$ddFile . "</li>"); if (is_dir($ddPath . $ddFile)) sitemap($ddPath . $ddFile . "/"); }; closedir($dhandle); echo("</ul>"); };

    Tim Ward Senior Systems Engineer

    Please refer to the following disclaimer in respect of this message: http://www.stivesdirect.com/e-mail-disclaimer.html

    > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Aitken [mailto:chrisideal.net.au] > Sent: 01 February 2001 05:05 > To: PHP User Group > Subject: Directory Listing with PHP > > > > > (Damn I hate it when I forget to change the subject) > > > Does anyone have, or know of a script which simulates what > Apache gives out > when it shows the entire contents of a directory ? > > I find it very handy to use the directory listing of say graphics > directories and the like, but I dont want others looking into them. > > What I thought would be a good system is to have an index.php > file which > asks for a password. If the password is accepted, it shoots > them off to a > php script which displays the contents of the DIR just as > apache would. > > This way I can bar viewing of the directories contents, only > viewable to > the owners of the password. > > > Ive seen a couple of scripts which claim to show the > directory listing, but > none of them seem to work any good with a decent layout and > amount of file > info. So im looking for a script which can display the > listing properly. > Does one exist, or am I just relieving myself into the wind ? > > > Thanks > > Chris > > -- > Chris Aitken - Webmaster/Database Designer - IDEAL Internet > email: chrisideal.net.au phone: +61 2 4628 8888 fax: +61 2 > 4628 8890 > -------------------------------------------- > > Unix -- because a computer's a terrible thing to waste! > >

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    Hi Everybody,

    I am trying to prevent my Linux machine from crashing by the use of memory_limit, but is does not seem to work as I expect it to: When a php-script includes itself recursively by accident it grabbes all memory available in a matter of seconds, although I set max_execution_time=30 and memory_limit=8388608. After 30 seconds of execution the apache terminates the request, but the script keeps on running and allocating memory (far more than 8 MB). Do I misunderstand the memory_limit option? Is there an other way to limit memory usage besides system wide memory quotas?

    Thanks Ralf

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    Isn't it illegal in the US to discuss rates in this manner?

    It's always been my understanding that The U.S. law specifically makes discussion of pricing between competitors (all or some) a federal offense.

    Am I taking this too literally?

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    You are taking this WAY to seriously. What you are talking about is the Sherman Act that developed our current antitrust laws. Specifically you are talking about "price fixing", which is illegal in the US. If EVERY PHP coder in the US got together at a trade show and said "We will all demand $150.00 an hour no matter what" then THAT would be illegal. Me mentioning to you how much I charge is totally legal.

    This mainly applies to big businesses and large manufacturers - OPEC for example would be TOTALLY illegal in the US.

    --Joe

    On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:49:00AM -0500, Brian V Bonini wrote: > Isn't it illegal in the US to discuss > rates in this manner? > > It's always been my understanding that > The U.S. law specifically makes discussion > of pricing between competitors (all or some) > a federal offense. > > Am I taking this too literally? > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    mwapleswaples.net wrote:

    > > Just an observation from some people I know in the USA - they charge > whatever they can get away with. > How about honestly charging what you think you are worth ? > Knowing how to use php means nothing - but if you know it well you will > be worth a lot. >

    Slight philosophical disagreement here - knowing PHP extremely well still doesn't make it worth anything, unless you can apply that knowledge to a client's problems and create solutions/applications that are valuable to them.

    Don't charge what you think you're worth. Wait, no. Charge what you think you're worth OR what the project is worth to the client, whatever is higher. If what you think you're worth is more than they want to (or can) pay, move on.

    You may think it's worth $3000. The client may think it's worth (and willing to pay) $30,000. As a matter of fact, you MAY not get the work if your price is too low (perceived value).

    There is a book out there called "million dollar consulting" (author=weiss I think) which might be a good read for list members, at least the chapter on pricing.

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    I have over 6 years programming experience, almost 3 include PHP. I also have sound database knowledge. Where is the best place to find PHP consulting work?

    Mike

    -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Sharp [mailto:webdevflyerware.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:26 PM To: Philip Olson; Josh G Cc: PHP User Group Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???

    Yeah, I'm consulting though...but yes there are some other options...where does it say $80/hour in the US?!

    -Jonathan

    > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Olson [mailto:philipcornado.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 6:05 PM > To: Josh G > Cc: PHP User Group > Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > One thing to keep in mind is we're mixing up contract jobs and "real" jobs > with contract jobs usually being much higher rates. Not sure on any > specifics though but real jobs are pretty secure, eight hours a day ... so > it's a tradeoff. Most (if not all) quotes thus far are in regard to > contract jobs. > > Philip > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Josh G wrote: > > > I hear you. Another thing that's hard to find, is somebody who is a > > good programmer, and a good graphic designer. I don't really know > > any, apart from myself, and I've been just shy of being called a lying > > scumbag by a few HR companies over the years when they look at > > my resume ;-) > > > > This thread has really fired up my desire to go the states.... US$80 > > an hour for php.... daaaaaaaaaaaamn, that's a shitload more than I > > make here, which is more like US$20/hr > > > > Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/ > > > > I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to > > hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jonathan Sharp" <webdevflyerware.com> > > To: <php-generallists.php.net> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > I find this an interesting topic... > > > > > > One thing that we've found when looking for additional PHP > programmers to > > > add is that since PHP has exploded there are a lot of people out there > > > coding in PHP that don't have a background in programming or > some of the > > > design considerations. We've looked at various places from > techies.com to > > > guru.com and haven't found that many PHP gurus out there. So > in terms of > > > skill level, what do you all see the going rate? I know I'm currently > > > underpaid at $25/hour and I do ALL the PHP programming, project > > management, > > > engineering, database theory etc...oh...and did I mention I do all the > > > network support too? (I'm taking my CCNA in June...) so yeah...we're a > > > starup what did you expect?! =) > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Disclaimer: I don't mean to offend anyone out there who codes > in PHP. But > > > from the experience that I've had trying to find someone who > can really > > code > > > clean, effecient stuff that plugs into the whole picture has been > > virtually > > > non-existent...(if you do, please call! We have a few openings!) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Jonathan Sharp > > > > > > Director of Technology - Imprev Inc. > > > Renwick Development Group - Flyerware > > > http://www.flyerware.com/ > > > Phone: (425)688-9200 > > > Cell: (425)766-1398 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Philip Olson [mailto:philipcornado.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:40 PM > > > To: Shane McBride > > > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Shane, > > > > > > This is a tricky issue, here's me (USD): > > > > > > $60/hr > > > $30/hr if end result becomes open sourced (no strings) > > > > > > General discounts for features such as : fun,true > non-profit,intelligent > > > employer,learning curve and it all lives on a sliding scale > depending on > > > their ability to pay and my desire for work/money (time). > Also, barter > > > is usually an option. Usually hovers between 30-50 and one > day this will > > > go up :-) This is the most difficult part of the job, time estimates > > > and pricing. Bah. "Just give me money and I'll do stuff." > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Philip Olson > > > http://www.cornado.com/ > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 03:25:27PM -0500, Shane McBride wrote: > > > > I know this is not really a PHP question, but it should > make for a good > > > > thread. :) > > > > > > > > I was wondering what other PHP people charge to write PHP? > I have just > > > > been given a project for a fairly large customer, much larger than I > > > > normally do work for. So I am VERY confused.concerned about > how to price > > > > it. Most of my other PHP projects have been done for small > single owners > > > > businesses, and the PHP has been pretty basic. > > > > > > > > Now that I can actually do what I am being asked without > have to learn > > > > it, I am stuck. I did a shopping cart for someone, but I > didn't charge > > > > them a REAL price because I didn't know how to do it with > PHP. So, I of > > > > course didn't charge the client for my learning curve. > > > > > > > > I know the price is very dependant upon the task. What I am doing is > > > > creating a web-based front-end for a MySQL database. I'll > need to create > > > > the database tables, etc. The front-end is going to be > rather dynamic > > > > since the data content depends largely on the previous > choices of the > > > > end-user. One or two tables with 20-30 fields. 5-6 pages of html and > > > > PHP. > > > > > > > > I'm just scouting this out, and am VERY confident with the > contributors > > > > to this list and their opinions. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > >

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    Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying.

    I only asked because the HTML lists the HTML Writers Guild strictly prohibit this sort of discussion, their reason always having been that they are concerned about 'price fixing' laws. It always seemed a little overkill to me.

    Thanks, -Brian ************* > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Stump [mailto:jstumpzebulon.miester.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:52 AM > To: Brian V Bonini > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > You are taking this WAY to seriously. What you are talking about > is the Sherman > Act that developed our current antitrust laws. Specifically you > are talking > about "price fixing", which is illegal in the US. If EVERY PHP > coder in the US > got together at a trade show and said "We will all demand $150.00 > an hour no > matter what" then THAT would be illegal. Me mentioning to you how > much I charge > is totally legal. > > This mainly applies to big businesses and large manufacturers - > OPEC for example > would be TOTALLY illegal in the US. > > --Joe > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:49:00AM -0500, Brian V Bonini wrote: > > Isn't it illegal in the US to discuss > > rates in this manner? > > > > It's always been my understanding that > > The U.S. law specifically makes discussion > > of pricing between competitors (all or some) > > a federal offense. > > > > Am I taking this too literally? > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > Joe Stump, PHP Hacker, joestump98yahoo.com > -o) > http://www.miester.org http://www.care2.com > /\\ > "It's not enough to succeed. Everyone else must fail" -- Larry > Ellison _\_V > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > >

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    Yes, you are taking this too literally. Our first amendment right superecedes any law.

    What you may be referring to is when competitors in a small market (or in a market with limited competition) compare their prices behind the scenes in order to keep the prices high. Which is what the oil companies are often accused of doing (ever wonder why gas prices are usually within a few cents or even identical between stations even though they're supposed competitors?).

    ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Brian V Bonini" <briangfx.cncdsl.com> Reply-To: <briangfx.cncdsl.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:49:00 -0500

    >Isn't it illegal in the US to discuss >rates in this manner? > >It's always been my understanding that >The U.S. law specifically makes discussion >of pricing between competitors (all or some) >a federal offense. > >Am I taking this too literally? > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > >

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    Of course, this might also be something to do with the fact that if one place is charging 80p/litre and one is charging 90p/litre, where are you going to spend your cash, given there's no difference between the petrol?

    -----Original Message----- From: thor [mailto:thornetwood.net] Sent: 01 February 2001 17:30 To: php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???

    What you may be referring to is when competitors in a small market (or in a market with limited competition) compare their prices behind the scenes in order to keep the prices high. Which is what the oil companies are often accused of doing (ever wonder why gas prices are usually within a few cents or even identical between stations even though they're supposed competitors?).

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    Yep, ain't it grand... I got hired on as a designer and somebody got the bright idea that I must be a programmer as well funny I don't remember that on my resume.

    Jerry Lake - jerryleuropa.com Web Designer Europa Communications - http://www.europa.com Pacifier Online - http://www.pacifier.com

    -----Original Message----- From: Robin Vickery [mailto:robinplanet-three.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:43 AM To: php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???

    >>>>> "JG" == "Josh G" <joshgfunk007.com> writes:

    > I hear you. Another thing that's hard to find, is somebody who is a > good programmer, and a good graphic designer.

    I've never quite understood why employers seem to expect that a php/perl programmer should also be doing graphic design. They're quite unrelated activities using completely different skills. It's not something that's generally expected from other professions (when was the last time you saw an advert for an accountant that required they be proficient with Photoshop?) so why programmers?

    -robin (who can't draw for toffee)

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    We should be prudent when discussing how much we charge for programming. I'm no lawyer but I believe it's okay to discuss hypotheticals, histories, and such, but remember that discussing wage rates may run against anti-trust regulation as evidence of collusion (at least in the United States).

    Having said that, I seriously doubt we'd have the DOJ banging down on listers. And I find this topic honest and interesting, even though it doesn't concern me.

    Besides, sometimes I think that PHP is so easy to learn that we should be considered unskilled labor ;-)

    Take care,

    terry

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    > Besides, sometimes I think that PHP is so easy to learn > that we should be considered unskilled labor ;-)

    The skill is in the shaping. Any joe off the street can make an ugly sculpture. It takes talent and skill to make art... :p

    Chris

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    I agree 100%. It looks simple, but to write really good code you need to know your stuff.

    CB

    At 01:56 PM 2/1/01 -0600, Boget, Chris wrote: > > Besides, sometimes I think that PHP is so easy to learn > > that we should be considered unskilled labor ;-) > >The skill is in the shaping. Any joe off the street can make an >ugly sculpture. It takes talent and skill to make art... >:p > >Chris

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    If you can deal with the obscene cost of living, here in Silicon Valley, California you can make ~80/hr doing being just a webmaster. ~100/hr for a GOOD coder, and ~120+/hr for a really good "real language" coder. That's obviously without benefits, options, guaranteed income, vacation, sick days, etc.

    -Szii

    ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Sharp <webdevflyerware.com> To: Philip Olson <philipcornado.com>; Josh G <joshgfunk007.com> Cc: PHP User Group <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 6:26 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???

    > Yeah, I'm consulting though...but yes there are some other options...where > does it say $80/hour in the US?! > > -Jonathan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Philip Olson [mailto:philipcornado.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 6:05 PM > > To: Josh G > > Cc: PHP User Group > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > > One thing to keep in mind is we're mixing up contract jobs and "real" jobs > > with contract jobs usually being much higher rates. Not sure on any > > specifics though but real jobs are pretty secure, eight hours a day ... so > > it's a tradeoff. Most (if not all) quotes thus far are in regard to > > contract jobs. > > > > Philip > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Josh G wrote: > > > > > I hear you. Another thing that's hard to find, is somebody who is a > > > good programmer, and a good graphic designer. I don't really know > > > any, apart from myself, and I've been just shy of being called a lying > > > scumbag by a few HR companies over the years when they look at > > > my resume ;-) > > > > > > This thread has really fired up my desire to go the states.... US$80 > > > an hour for php.... daaaaaaaaaaaamn, that's a shitload more than I > > > make here, which is more like US$20/hr > > > > > > Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/ > > > > > > I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to > > > hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jonathan Sharp" <webdevflyerware.com> > > > To: <php-generallists.php.net> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:49 PM > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > > > > I find this an interesting topic... > > > > > > > > One thing that we've found when looking for additional PHP > > programmers to > > > > add is that since PHP has exploded there are a lot of people out there > > > > coding in PHP that don't have a background in programming or > > some of the > > > > design considerations. We've looked at various places from > > techies.com to > > > > guru.com and haven't found that many PHP gurus out there. So > > in terms of > > > > skill level, what do you all see the going rate? I know I'm currently > > > > underpaid at $25/hour and I do ALL the PHP programming, project > > > management, > > > > engineering, database theory etc...oh...and did I mention I do all the > > > > network support too? (I'm taking my CCNA in June...) so yeah...we're a > > > > starup what did you expect?! =) > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: I don't mean to offend anyone out there who codes > > in PHP. But > > > > from the experience that I've had trying to find someone who > > can really > > > code > > > > clean, effecient stuff that plugs into the whole picture has been > > > virtually > > > > non-existent...(if you do, please call! We have a few openings!) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Jonathan Sharp > > > > > > > > Director of Technology - Imprev Inc. > > > > Renwick Development Group - Flyerware > > > > http://www.flyerware.com/ > > > > Phone: (425)688-9200 > > > > Cell: (425)766-1398 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Philip Olson [mailto:philipcornado.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:40 PM > > > > To: Shane McBride > > > > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Shane, > > > > > > > > This is a tricky issue, here's me (USD): > > > > > > > > $60/hr > > > > $30/hr if end result becomes open sourced (no strings) > > > > > > > > General discounts for features such as : fun,true > > non-profit,intelligent > > > > employer,learning curve and it all lives on a sliding scale > > depending on > > > > their ability to pay and my desire for work/money (time). > > Also, barter > > > > is usually an option. Usually hovers between 30-50 and one > > day this will > > > > go up :-) This is the most difficult part of the job, time estimates > > > > and pricing. Bah. "Just give me money and I'll do stuff." > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Philip Olson > > > > http://www.cornado.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 03:25:27PM -0500, Shane McBride wrote: > > > > > I know this is not really a PHP question, but it should > > make for a good > > > > > thread. :) > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering what other PHP people charge to write PHP? > > I have just > > > > > been given a project for a fairly large customer, much larger than I > > > > > normally do work for. So I am VERY confused.concerned about > > how to price > > > > > it. Most of my other PHP projects have been done for small > > single owners > > > > > businesses, and the PHP has been pretty basic. > > > > > > > > > > Now that I can actually do what I am being asked without > > have to learn > > > > > it, I am stuck. I did a shopping cart for someone, but I > > didn't charge > > > > > them a REAL price because I didn't know how to do it with > > PHP. So, I of > > > > > course didn't charge the client for my learning curve. > > > > > > > > > > I know the price is very dependant upon the task. What I am doing is > > > > > creating a web-based front-end for a MySQL database. I'll > > need to create > > > > > the database tables, etc. The front-end is going to be > > rather dynamic > > > > > since the data content depends largely on the previous > > choices of the > > > > > end-user. One or two tables with 20-30 fields. 5-6 pages of html and > > > > > PHP. > > > > > > > > > > I'm just scouting this out, and am VERY confident with the > > contributors > > > > > to this list and their opinions. > > > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    > Isn't it illegal in the US to discuss > rates in this manner? > > It's always been my understanding that > The U.S. law specifically makes discussion > of pricing between competitors (all or some) > a federal offense. > > Am I taking this too literally?

    Lucky most of us arnt in the US then isnt it.

    James

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    Who cares, they could never bust us. So lets decide on this list that we are going to set (or "fix" if you will) the price of PHP work at $100/per hour. Oh just a second, someone's at the door...

    ............. Jade Ohlhauser [website architect]........... http://bandwidthplace.com

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moore" <jamesphpuk.org> To: <briangfx.cncdsl.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???

    > > > Isn't it illegal in the US to discuss > > rates in this manner? > > > > It's always been my understanding that > > The U.S. law specifically makes discussion > > of pricing between competitors (all or some) > > a federal offense.

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    Simply because both involve computers.

    Miles

    At 11:43 AM 2/1/01 +0000, Robin Vickery wrote: > >>>>> "JG" == "Josh G" <joshgfunk007.com> writes: > > > I hear you. Another thing that's hard to find, is somebody who is a > > good programmer, and a good graphic designer. > >I've never quite understood why employers seem to expect that a >php/perl programmer should also be doing graphic design. They're >quite unrelated activities using completely different skills. It's >not something that's generally expected from other professions >(when was the last time you saw an advert for an accountant that >required they be proficient with Photoshop?) so why programmers? > > > -robin (who can't draw for toffee) > > >-- >Robin Vickery................................................. >BlueCarrots, 14th Floor, 20 Eastbourne Terrace, London, W2 6LE > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    Apache on Solaris 2.6, suEXEC, PHP 3.0.15 as a CGI (not mod_php). I'm seeing this sort of thing in my Apache error logs.

    failed to open log file fopen: Permission denied [Thu Feb 1 04:28:33 2001] [error] [client 192.168.1.15] Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/test.php3

    test.php3 contains only:

    <?php header("Content-type: text/plain"); print "foo\n"; ?>

    Another script I've tried contains only:

    <?php phpinfo() ?>

    All result in those entries, and in the browser you see "Internal Server Error".

    Can anyone offer some advice? I'm not sure what to make of it.

    -dan

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    DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS CODE IK WANT TO GENERATE A CODE THAT SELECTS A COUPELE OF PARAMETERS FROM TWO TABLES IN A MYSQL DATABASE... THE QUERY THAT I USE WORKS CORRECTLY BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LINKS I WANT TO GENERATE WITH PHP... I NEED TO CREATE AN ARRAY OF LINKS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS...

    BLOK 0 | BLOK 1 | BLOK 2 | BLOK 3 | BLOK 4 | BLOK 5 | BLOK 6 | BLOK 7 | BLOK 8 | BLOK 9

    PLEASE HELP!!!

    <? include("connect.php3") ?> <? $result = mysql_query ("select m.module_id, m.leergang_afkorting, m.module_nummer, l.opleiding_afkorting from module m, leergang l where m.leergang_afkorting = l.leergang_afkorting and m.leergang_afkorting = 'EDP16' order by m.module_nummer"); while (list ($module_id,$leergang_afkorting,$module_nummer,$opleiding_afkorting) = mysql_fetch_row ($result)) { echo "<a href=\"http://tias.kub.nl/programs/\"opleiding_afkorting=$opleiding_afkorting\"/

    \"leergang_afkorting=$leergang_afkorting\"/ \"virtuele.klas/programma/blok\"module_nummer=$module_nummer\"/\"leergang_afkorting=$leergang_afkorting\"_blok0\"

    module_nummer=$module_nummer.html\">$module_nummer</a> } ?>

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    Hi,

    first of all being desperate for help is okay but please don't write in cabs.

    try this: while ($row = mysql_fetch_array($result) ) { echo "<a href=http://tias.kub.nl/programs/$row[opleiding_afkorting]/ $row[leergang_afkorting/ virtuele.klas/programma/blok$row[module_nummer/$row[leergang_afkorting]_blok 0 $orw[module_nummer].html>$row[module_nummer]</a><br>"; } this lists the links. If "blok0" should increment you'll need to put something like $i = 0 before the while loop and $i++ after the "echo"

    good luck Johannes

    "Stinie Steinbach" <s695645kub.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3A7970DB.CD81B174kub.nl... > DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS CODE > IK WANT TO GENERATE A CODE THAT SELECTS A COUPELE OF PARAMETERS FROM TWO > TABLES IN A MYSQL DATABASE... > THE QUERY THAT I USE WORKS CORRECTLY BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LINKS > I WANT TO GENERATE WITH PHP... > I NEED TO CREATE AN ARRAY OF LINKS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS... > > BLOK 0 | BLOK 1 | BLOK 2 | BLOK 3 | BLOK 4 | BLOK 5 | BLOK 6 | BLOK 7 | > BLOK 8 | BLOK 9 > > PLEASE HELP!!! > > <? include("connect.php3") ?> > <? > $result = mysql_query ("select m.module_id, m.leergang_afkorting, > m.module_nummer, l.opleiding_afkorting > from module m, leergang l where m.leergang_afkorting = > l.leergang_afkorting > and m.leergang_afkorting = 'EDP16' order by m.module_nummer"); > while (list > ($module_id,$leergang_afkorting,$module_nummer,$opleiding_afkorting) = > mysql_fetch_row ($result)) { > echo "<a > href=\"http://tias.kub.nl/programs/\"opleiding_afkorting=$opleiding_afkortin g\"/ > > \"leergang_afkorting=$leergang_afkorting\"/ > \"virtuele.klas/programma/blok\"module_nummer=$module_nummer\"/\"leergang_af korting=$leergang_afkorting\"_blok0\" > > module_nummer=$module_nummer.html\">$module_nummer</a> > } > ?> > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    I have a need to produce reports from data in a table *and* the reports need to look the same for all clients (e.g. PDF output). Are there any "report generators" that can be interfaced with with PHP that have a PDF output *or* do I need to "roll my own" for each task/report?

    Todd

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    Is this a tab character \t

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    El Jue 01 Feb 2001 12:17, Karl J. Stubsjoen escribió: > Is this a tab character \t

    yes (depending)

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    Yes, and here are others which came from the following URL: http://www.php.net/manual/en/pcre.pattern.syntax.php

    \a = alarm, that is, the BEL character (hex 07) \cx = "control-x", where x is any character \e = escape (hex 1B) \f = formfeed (hex 0C) \n = newline (hex 0A) \r = carriage return (hex 0D) \t = tab (hex 09) \xhh = character with hex code hh \ddd = character with octal code ddd, or backreference

    -Toby

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl J. Stubsjoen" <karlflipskstub.com> To: "PHP Mailing List" <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: [PHP] Tab character

    > Is this a tab character \t > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    So sprach Karl J. Stubsjoen am Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:17:44AM -0700: > Is this a tab character \t

    yes

    Alexander Skwar

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    So sprach Martin A. Marques am Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 12:20:54PM -0300: > yes (depending)

    On what?

    Alexander Skwar

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    On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 01:47, Karl J. Stubsjoen wrote: > Is this a tab character \t

    Yes - but remember that you won't be able to see it on a page rendered by a browser, as they tend to treat tabs, multiple spaces and line feeds as a single white space.

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    hello,

    i am rather desperately trying to figure out how to delete a node object from the DOM.

    say i have a node $node by manually traversing the DOM tree or by an xpath_eval() function call. i can access the children ($node->children()) or the parent ($node->parent()) or add a sub-node ($node->new_child()) but there seems to be no $node->unlink() or something like that to remove $node from my DOM tree.

    in libxml which the php domxml extension is built upon there's a function xmlUnlinkNode() which seems to do just that, but there is no binding for this function in php (or i didn't find it. i looked in ext/domxml/php_domxml.c).

    any solutions / workarounds / patches anyone? or am i being plain dumb -- i am pretty a php novice so chances are i overlooked the very very obvious.

    thanks

    peter.

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    Peter Sabaini wrote: > > hello, > > i am rather desperately trying to figure out how to delete a node > object from the DOM. > > say i have a node $node by manually traversing the DOM tree or by an > xpath_eval() function call. i can access the children > ($node->children()) or the parent ($node->parent()) or add a sub-node > ($node->new_child()) but there seems to be no $node->unlink() or > something like that to remove $node from my DOM tree. > > in libxml which the php domxml extension is built upon there's a > function xmlUnlinkNode() which seems to do just that, but there is no > binding for this function in php (or i didn't find it. i looked in > ext/domxml/php_domxml.c). > > any solutions / workarounds / patches anyone? or am i being plain > dumb -- i am pretty a php novice so chances are i overlooked the very > very obvious. > I've been playing w/ DOM XML extension for my documentation catalog (docs.digiro.net still work in progress ;), and my first shot would be to unset the node from the children list of its parent. I also dig for what methods a DomNode, DomAttribute etc. have and figured out some. I would like to see them documented somewhere ...

    -- teodor

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    I'm running on Windows 2000. I've installed the JRE 1.3. I've installed the IDE I run the IDE I get:

    "Could not find the main class. Program will exit!"

    As far as I can tell the following appear to be true:

    There are no other installations of Java installed on the machine. My path doesn't point anywhere that seems problematic. The IDE files appear to have installed correctly.

    Does anyone have any ideas that I can try before I start pulling my hair out?

    Thanks, Neil

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    If you miswrite a CGI script and have lots of system calls, someone could send a command to your script that creates a link to, say, your password file, or something else, and then be able to view it through the web. If you have other users on the system the security hole opens wider. There are plenty of other reasons, as well. I would look for security information on various security websites, like insecure.org, securityfocus.com, etc.. Subscribe to some BUGTRAQ security lists. You will be surprised what is and is not a security hole. And, the more "features" you enable on your site, the more security concious you need to become. Your machine is *never* safe and enabling features opens more possibilities for abuse.

    If you have a linux box, you might want to try locking your system down a bit with portsentry and bastille linux: http://www.psionic.com/abacus/portsentry/ http://www.bastille-linux.org/

    Just my humble and paranoid opinion from past experiences. :)

    johnny p.

    > -----Original Message----- > From: david klein [mailto:davidklein101hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 2:04 PM > To: johnnygameloop.com; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Symbolic link fails when User > Authentication comes in > > > Johnny, > > It works, but how could this create a security hole? > Could you please > expalin a little bit more? > > Thanks, > David > > > >From: "johnny p." <johnnygameloop.com> > >To: "david klein" <davidklein101hotmail.com>, > <php-generallists.php.net> > >Subject: RE: [PHP] Symbolic link fails when User > Authentication comes in > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:54:22 -0600 > > > >Add the FollowSymLinks to your httpd.conf file for that directory. I > >don't recommend doing this, tho, since it *is* a security hole. > > > > <Directory /apps/apache/docs/test1> > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > > </Directory> > > > >johnny p. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: david klein [mailto:davidklein101hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:43 PM > > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: [PHP] Symbolic link fails when User > Authentication comes in > > > > > > > > > I am using Apache user authentication, and it works fine. > > > However, if there > > > is a symbolic link inside a securied directory, the symbolic > > > linked file > > > will deny any access. > > > > > > For example, directory "/apps/apache/docs/test1" is a > > > securied directory, > > > and there is a symbolic linked file "file1.txt", after you > > > logged into > > > directory "/apps/apache/docs/test1" and try to access > > > "file1.txt", you will > > > be denied for the access? > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > David > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > > php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > php-list-adminlists.php.net > >

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    Hello,

    I'm wondering if anyone has any info regarding any performance hits taken as a result of changing the default type to application/x-httpd-php in Apache's httpd.conf, or if there are any _other_ implications of doing this.

    Any info would be appreciated, as would a cc: cuz I'm not subbed at my work address. Thanks.

    Mike Robinson ph: 416.945.8786 email: mrobinsthestar.ca

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    No, I didn't get it....

    -----Original Message----- From: ybcat [mailto:ybcat21cn.com] Sent: 01 February 2001 15:47 To: mysqllists.mysql.com Subject: test

    OK?

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    Since so many people are now using MS Outlook for their e-mail which defaults to a proportional-width font (and I think newer Eudoras do too), I've found times that I need to specify a fixed-width font (IE Courier, Courier New) in so that columns of financials line up.

    How do I do this with dynamically created data generated and mailed out with a PHP script?

    Thanks, Jeff Gannaway _______________________________________________________

    2001 Wall Calendars.... * Art, Jazz, Blues, Women's, African-American. * Everyday Discounts. * Excellent paper and reproductions. And as always, a great selection of abstract, contemporary and African-American art prints.

    PopStreet.com is your avenue to art. http://www.popstreet.com _______________________________________________________

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    You mean, 'how do I send an HTML email' right? I dont see how you can set a font unless its HTML or RichText.

    <? $email_address = 'leemediawaveonline.com'; $email_return_address = 'updateleehotmail.com'; $email_header = "Content-Type: text/html;\nFrom: $email_return_address"; $email_body = "<html><body>hello? </body></html>\n";

    mail($email_address, $email_subject, $email_body, $email_header); ?>

    This should work...

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    "Jeff Gannaway" <webmastercactusgraphics.com> wrote in message news:200102011611.KAA18251ares.host4u.net... > Since so many people are now using MS Outlook for their e-mail which > defaults to a proportional-width font (and I think newer Eudoras do too), > I've found times that I need to specify a fixed-width font (IE Courier, > Courier New) in so that columns of financials line up. > > How do I do this with dynamically created data generated and mailed out > with a PHP script? > > Thanks, > Jeff Gannaway > _______________________________________________________ > > 2001 Wall Calendars.... > * Art, Jazz, Blues, Women's, African-American. > * Everyday Discounts. > * Excellent paper and reproductions. > > And as always, a great selection of abstract, > contemporary and African-American art prints. > > PopStreet.com is your avenue to art. > http://www.popstreet.com > _______________________________________________________ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    Hello all,

    I have an issue that I can not seem to resolve. Scenario:

    Solaris 2.7 Netscape Enterprise Server 4.1 PHP 4.0.4 Oracle 8i

    Configured as: --enable-debug --enable-pic --enable-inline-optimization --with-regex=system --with-gettext=/usr/bin --enable-safe-mode --enable-sysvmem --enable-sysvshm --enable-track-vars --enable-ftp --with-xml --with-nsapi=/usr/netscape/server4 --with-oracle=/vol01/app/oracle/product/8.1.6 --enable-libgcc

    The problem occurs when I issue ./start to netscape, I get the following error:

    conf_init: Error running init function load-modules: dlopen of /usr/netscape/server4/bin/libphp4.so failed (ld.so.1: ns-httpd: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/netscape/server4/bin/libphp4.so: symbol tsrm_error referenced symbol not found)

    I have tried configuring --with-tsrm-pthreads and I did not get an error when I issue ./start for netscape, however the page with xml code shows up blank in my browser after this happens.

    I have played around with LD_LIBRARY_PATH trying to find where tsrm_error resides (multiple net searches also) and can not seem to find any useful information.

    I researched a similar problem and the person that resolved it says that he had to 'add a patch for ZTS and use the --enable-experimental-zts flag'. I tried the --enable-experimental-zts flag with no success. I searched the net for ZTS and could not find a download.

    Can anyone help? What is tsrm?

    Thanks in advance,

    Tony

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    Im trying to create an edit page for database records on the fly.I get all the fieldnames and all the textboxes but only the first textbox has data.the rest are always empty.any suggestions?

    for ($i =0;$i<mysql_num_fields($result);$i++) {

    $row = mysql_fetch_row($result); $name=mysql_field_name($result,$i); echo "<p>$name<input type='text' value='$row[$i]' name='T1' size='20'></p>"; }

    Thanks Mike P mpelosoprinceton.edu

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    works and alot simpler....

    <? $result = mysql_db_query('some_db', "SELECT * FROM people"); while ($r = mysql_fetch_array($result)) { echo $r['name']; } ?>

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    ""Mike"" <mpelosoprinceton.edu> wrote in message news:95c33h$5a3$1toye.p.sourceforge.net... > Im trying to create an edit page for database records on the fly.I get all > the fieldnames and all the textboxes but only the first textbox has data.the > rest are always empty.any suggestions? > > for ($i =0;$i<mysql_num_fields($result);$i++) > { > > $row = mysql_fetch_row($result); > $name=mysql_field_name($result,$i); > echo "<p>$name<input type='text' value='$row[$i]' name='T1' > size='20'></p>"; > } > > > Thanks > Mike P > mpelosoprinceton.edu > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    It looks like your not assigning the arrays correctly. Here's a long piece of code I use: (it has alot of extra code that you don't need.)

    <? // Create Connection $connection = mysql_connect("sql.server.com", "username", "passwd") or die ("Couldn't connect to the database!");

    // Select Database $db = mysql_select_db("table_name", $connection) or die ("Couldn't connect to Database!");

    //Create SQL Statement $sql = "SELECT title, price, description, image FROM featured WHERE image='$sel_record'";

    //Execute SQL query and get results $sql_result = mysql_query($sql, $connection) or die ("Couldn't execute query");

    if (!$sql_result) { print ("<P>Couldn't get list!"); } else { while ($row = mysql_fetch_array($sql_result)) { $title = addslashes($row["title"]); $price = $row["price"]; $image = $row["image"]; $description = addslashes($row["description"]); $fmt_price = sprintf("%0.2f", $price); $fmt_title = stripslashes($title); $fmt_desc = stripslashes($description); echo " <table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"5\"> <tr> <td align=\"right\">Title:</td> <td>$fmt_title</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign=\"top\">Description:</td> <td><textarea name=\"description\"cols=\"65\" rows=\"5\">$fmt_desc</textarea></td> </tr> <tr> <td align=\"right\">Price:</td> <td><input type=\"text\" name=\"price\" value=\"$fmt_price\" size=\"15\"></td> </table> <input type=\"hidden\" name=\"title\" value='$fmt_title'> "; } } ?>

    "Mike" <mpelosoprinceton.edu> wrote in message news:<95c33h$5a3$1toye.p.sourceforge.net>... > Im trying to create an edit page for database records on the fly.I get all > the fieldnames and all the textboxes but only the first textbox has data.the > rest are always empty.any suggestions? > > for ($i =0;$i<mysql_num_fields($result);$i++) > { > > $row = mysql_fetch_row($result); > $name=mysql_field_name($result,$i); > echo "<p>$name<input type='text' value='$row[$i]' name='T1' > size='20'></p>"; > } > > > Thanks > Mike P > mpelosoprinceton.edu > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    ""kaab kaoutar"" ... > Hi! > I'm using orcale8 and as long as oracle8 ocilogon does not work, i tried the > oracle function and i always get: > for Ora_Logon("kaabKKAnn", "kaab"); > connection failed could not resolve service name

    Just try to reinstall PHP, and the Oracle 8 libraries for PHP - some packages don't include them - i had to reinstall my web server 3 or 4 times until PHP was able to locate the library and use OciLogon()...

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    John Luxford wrote: > > Hello > > Is there a 'redo' loop control function? All I can find are 'break' and > 'continue'. > > Thanks > > Lux >

    Hi,

    Here's one way:

    for ($nr = 0; $nr < 5; $nr++) { if ($arr[$nr] == "foo") { $arr[$nr] = "bar"; /* otherwise it's infinite */ --$nr; continue; } }

    By the way, This is not considered a Good Thing by anyone I know. Mostly it is just a waste of time--is it really necessary to do this? Not in this case, but it's just an illustration. Otherwise, if you are not careful, you'll get infinite loops or some other wierdness.

    Regards, Jason

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    I am trying to write a query to bring back rows that have null values set in them. I cannot figure out how to do this. I can bring back all rows that do not have nulls with the following query.

    SELECT [ID], [Project Name], [Start Construction Date], [Actual Completion Date] FROM common WHERE [Start Construction Date] != ' ' OR [Actual Completion Date] != ' '

    I tried changing the != to = but it does not return anything.

    I am running these queries off a MSSQL 7.0 Server

    Ryan

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    Réponse au message | [PHP] Nulls in database | du jeudi 1 février 2001, 18:05 :

    This is from memory concerning my old SQL class but isn't there something specific in sql lines saying that to find null values you should use : ISNULL Since an empty string is different from a null entry.

    CR> I am trying to write a query to bring back rows that have null values set in CR> them. I cannot figure out how to do this. I can bring back all rows that do CR> not have nulls with the following query. CR> SELECT [ID], [Project Name], [Start Construction Date], [Actual Completion CR> Date] CR> FROM common WHERE [Start Construction Date] != ' ' OR [Actual Completion CR> Date] != ' ' CR> I tried changing the != to = but it does not return anything. CR> I am running these queries off a MSSQL 7.0 Server CR> Ryan

    _______________________________________ Massuelles Jean-Baptiste(Juanacomme.fr) Société A Comme... Tel : 03 80 700 702

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    eom

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    Hi,

    I know how to send a standard email, but I`m having a bit of trouble adding an attachment, can anyone put me right?

    this is my code which works fine...

    $subject="Hi"; $email="testmydomain.com"; $from="memydomain.com"; $message="Hi this is me testing my PHP mail script";

    mail($email, $subject, $message, $from);

    TIA Ade

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    Hi,

    I'm not sure if this is the proper forum for this question, if it is not, please let me know!

    I have several sites that need to be upgraded from php3 to php4. In order to test compliance of the php3 code on php4, I need to know exactly which functions have different usage / results on php4.

    I know that include() and rand() work differently, any others?

    Does anyone know of an article / page in docs that explains this? There was a page like this on php.net when php4 was first released, but I can't find it anymore. The faq on this does not have any useful info.

    Thanks, Chana Black

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    This list is very active, but I find that I am deleting about 70% of the messages about reading the first line. Mostly, this is because so many of the users are new that their questions are very basic.

    It might be a good idea to have a beginners and an advanced list.

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    Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set.

    One comment though to reduce your message load is to start using the news://news.php.net you can read and post here. I love it. works great.

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    "Jon Jacob" <jonmanymoons.net> wrote in message news:3A799A71.B89511EBmanymoons.net... > This list is very active, but I find that I am deleting about 70% of the > messages about reading the first line. Mostly, this is because so many > of the users are new that their questions are very basic. > > It might be a good idea to have a beginners and an advanced list. > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > posters to better categorize their question, and would > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > their skill set.

    This has been suggested before. What you will invariably find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe and post to the advanced list because the beginners will know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas there may not be on the beginner list...

    Chris

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    True enough...

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    ""Boget, Chris"" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> wrote in message news:4040BBE81A9AD411BD27009027887A7C0429E2tiger.wild.net... > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > their skill set. > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > there may not be on the beginner list... > > Chris >

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    I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boget, Chris" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> To: "'Chris Lee'" <leemediawaveonline.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List

    > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > their skill set. > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > there may not be on the beginner list... > > Chris >

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    April,

    There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies answering each others questions, you see.

    Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely get flooded with friendly and helpful responses. Try it :)

    -Ben

    -----Original Message----- From: April [mailto:aprilponymail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM To: php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List

    I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boget, Chris" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> To: "'Chris Lee'" <leemediawaveonline.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List

    > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > their skill set. > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > there may not be on the beginner list... > > Chris >

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    Perhaps I missed my own point. I think it's being one of those days.

    I see questions on the list regularly that I can answer, on days when I'm bored enough to take off the rule vanquishing them to a folder. I realize I'm a beginner, but even I can tell someone "how to pop up a browser window in php". But others take care of them pretty quickly, so there's no need to worry about it. Also, many of the people who go out of their way to answer questions on here who are advanced would probably just sign up for both list. And last but not least, don't forget the experts who would sign up for a newbie list just because they really like to hear themselves talk.

    And getting flooded with answers is nearly as intimidating as getting in trouble. As is signing up and the first email out being something so advanced it's half developer.

    I don't think it'd be quite as bad as you think it would be.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Munoz" <bmunozivtweb.com> To: "'April'" <aprilponymail.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List

    > April, > > There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP > then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list > would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies > answering each others questions, you see. > > Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their > posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely > get flooded with friendly and helpful responses. Try it :) > > -Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: April [mailto:aprilponymail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the > official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime > I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the > headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll > always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I > think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and > beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boget, Chris" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> > To: "'Chris Lee'" <leemediawaveonline.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM > Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > > their skill set. > > > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > > there may not be on the beginner list... > > > > Chris > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this :

    Search the archives

    Search google

    Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and do a search. Go here :

    http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general

    Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?" T: "redirect" or "redirection"

    Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???????" T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand"

    Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too :

    Q: Headers already sent, wtf?!!!!! T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information"

    Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the navigation (next in thread, next => ...) and usually an answer will be found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE!

    When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites, etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own. It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's not the same person asking over and over ...

    Regards,

    Philip Olson http://www.cornado.com/

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote:

    > April, > > There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP > then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list > would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies > answering each others questions, you see. > > Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their > posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely > get flooded with friendly and helpful responses. Try it :) > > -Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: April [mailto:aprilponymail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the > official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime > I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the > headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll > always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I > think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and > beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boget, Chris" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> > To: "'Chris Lee'" <leemediawaveonline.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM > Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > > their skill set. > > > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > > there may not be on the beginner list... > > > > Chris > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    oh look, someone's getting snippy with me for speaking on the list and admitting I'm a newbie already. Patronizing does get to be a reflex action after hearing the same question so many times, yeah. But if I can't post about the goodness/badness of having a newbie list and an advanced list, because I wasn't here in 1999 for the first one and had no idea it had happened, without being given tips on how to search google and get out of your hair while you discuss big boy things... If the volume is enough to make the experts snippy (which it does regularly), why are the experts this huge asset the newbies can't lose? If it's something that no one on the newbie list could answer, someone could just ask on the advanced list.

    Anyway, on a trying not to be controversial and contrary note, where are the archives? People keep saying that, but I can't find any that work.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Olson" <philipcornado.com> To: "Benjamin Munoz" <bmunozivtweb.com> Cc: "'April'" <aprilponymail.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List

    > > One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this : > > Search the archives > > Search google > > Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and > do a search. Go here : > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general > > Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?" > T: "redirect" or "redirection" > > Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???????" > T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand" > > Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too : > > Q: Headers already sent, wtf?!!!!! > T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information" > > Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the > navigation (next in thread, next => ...) and usually an answer will be > found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! > > When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google > is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites, > etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be > learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a > little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see > how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own. > It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's > not the same person asking over and over ... > > Regards, > > Philip Olson > http://www.cornado.com/ > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote: > > > April, > > > > There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP > > then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list > > would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies > > answering each others questions, you see. > > > > Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their > > posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely > > get flooded with friendly and helpful responses. Try it :) > > > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: April [mailto:aprilponymail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > > I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the > > official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime > > I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the > > headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll > > always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I > > think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and > > beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Boget, Chris" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> > > To: "'Chris Lee'" <leemediawaveonline.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > > > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > > > their skill set. > > > > > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > > > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > > > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > > > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > > > there may not be on the beginner list... > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > >

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    This is a public list and realize that :

    a. Don't make assumptions b. Don't take anything personally Nobody here is directing "bad vibes" towards you and email communication is questionable, miscommunication runs rampent. So that said, nobody is partronizing you but rather are bringing up points of reference. We are 'discussing' not 'fighting' and tangents many times come about too.

    The archive can be searched through the search on php.net and the link quoted below and of course through google (I don't work for google btw :)

    http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general Regards,

    Philip Olson http://www.cornado.com/

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, April wrote:

    > oh look, someone's getting snippy with me for speaking on the list and > admitting I'm a newbie already. Patronizing does get to be a reflex action > after hearing the same question so many times, yeah. But if I can't post > about the goodness/badness of having a newbie list and an advanced list, > because I wasn't here in 1999 for the first one and had no idea it had > happened, without being given tips on how to search google and get out of > your hair while you discuss big boy things... If the volume is enough to > make the experts snippy (which it does regularly), why are the experts this > huge asset the newbies can't lose? If it's something that no one on the > newbie list could answer, someone could just ask on the advanced list. > > Anyway, on a trying not to be controversial and contrary note, where are the > archives? People keep saying that, but I can't find any that work. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Olson" <philipcornado.com> > To: "Benjamin Munoz" <bmunozivtweb.com> > Cc: "'April'" <aprilponymail.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:03 PM > Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > > One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this : > > > > Search the archives > > > > Search google > > > > Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and > > do a search. Go here : > > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general > > > > Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?" > > T: "redirect" or "redirection" > > > > Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???????" > > T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand" > > > > Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too : > > > > Q: Headers already sent, wtf?!!!!! > > T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information" > > > > Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the > > navigation (next in thread, next => ...) and usually an answer will be > > found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! > > > > When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google > > is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites, > > etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be > > learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a > > little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see > > how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own. > > It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's > > not the same person asking over and over ... > > > > Regards, > > > > Philip Olson > > http://www.cornado.com/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote: > > > > > April, > > > > > > There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP > > > then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the > list > > > would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP > newbies > > > answering each others questions, you see. > > > > > > Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface > their > > > posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll > likely > > > get flooded with friendly and helpful responses. Try it :) > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: April [mailto:aprilponymail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM > > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > > > > > I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from > the > > > official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. > Everytime > > > I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the > > > headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. > You'll > > > always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. > But I > > > think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced > and > > > beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Boget, Chris" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> > > > To: "'Chris Lee'" <leemediawaveonline.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > > > > > > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > > > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > > > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > > > > their skill set. > > > > > > > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > > > > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > > > > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > > > > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > > > > there may not be on the beginner list... > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    -----Original Message----- From: April [mailto:aprilponymail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:18 PM To: Philip Olson; Benjamin Munoz Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List

    oh look, someone's getting snippy with me for speaking on the list and admitting I'm a newbie already. Patronizing does get to be a reflex action after hearing the same question so many times, yeah. But if I can't post about the goodness/badness of having a newbie list and an advanced list, because I wasn't here in 1999 for the first one and had no idea it had happened, without being given tips on how to search google and get out of your hair while you discuss big boy things... If the volume is enough to make the experts snippy (which it does regularly), why are the experts this huge asset the newbies can't lose? If it's something that no one on the newbie list could answer, someone could just ask on the advanced list.

    Anyway, on a trying not to be controversial and contrary note, where are the archives? People keep saying that, but I can't find any that work.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Olson" <philipcornado.com> To: "Benjamin Munoz" <bmunozivtweb.com> Cc: "'April'" <aprilponymail.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List

    > > One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this : > > Search the archives > > Search google > > Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and > do a search. Go here : > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general > > Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?" > T: "redirect" or "redirection" > > Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???????" > T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand" > > Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too : > > Q: Headers already sent, wtf?!!!!! > T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information" > > Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the > navigation (next in thread, next => ...) and usually an answer will be > found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! > > When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google > is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites, > etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be > learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a > little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see > how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own. > It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's > not the same person asking over and over ... > > Regards, > > Philip Olson > http://www.cornado.com/ > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote: > > > April, > > > > There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP > > then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list > > would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies > > answering each others questions, you see. > > > > Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their > > posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely > > get flooded with friendly and helpful responses. Try it :) > > > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: April [mailto:aprilponymail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > > I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the > > official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime > > I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the > > headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll > > always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I > > think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and > > beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Boget, Chris" <Chris.Bogetwild.net> > > To: "'Chris Lee'" <leemediawaveonline.com>; <php-generallists.php.net> > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List > > > > > > > > Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow > > > > posters to better categorize their question, and would > > > > give responders a good place to hangout depending on > > > > their skill set. > > > > > > This has been suggested before. What you will invariably > > > find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe > > > and post to the advanced list because the beginners will > > > know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas > > > there may not be on the beginner list... > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > >

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    On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:03:15PM +0000, Philip Olson wrote: > > One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this : > > Search the archives > > Search google >

    [...]

    Start a new thread when you have a question instead of merely hitting reply and rewriting the subject line. Am I the only one with a mailer capable of handling threads?

    Grrr.

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    Hello! I'm running: WinNT4, IIS4, php 4.03pl1, and I'm trying to connect to MS SQL 7. Well, I configured the php.ini (extension=php_mssql70.dll), and I copy that .dll to the windows folder. Now I want to connect to the SQL and it doesn't work, it makes a time out. If I do the same things with php 3.0.17 it works fine. The code:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head><title>Untitled</title></head> <body> <?php $HOST = "the host"; $USER = "the username"; $PSW = "the password"; $DB = "Database name"; if (mssql_connect($HOST, $USER, $PSW)) { mssql_select_db($DB); echo mssql_result( mssql_query("SELECT VERSION"), 0, 0); } if (!mssql_close()) echo "No lo pudo cerrar"; ?> </body> </html>

    Any solution? Thank you in advance . . .

    - n Angel - _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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    Not sure if this helps but when I used PHP and SQL 7 I used odbc set of commands, not mmssql commands (i.e. odbc_pconnect and odbc_close etc).

    HTH, Jason

    -----Original Message----- From: Martin Tiscornia [mailto:phpmatsoundhotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:27 AM To: php-generallists.php.net Subject: [PHP] php4 - MS SQL7 connection problem

    Hello! I'm running: WinNT4, IIS4, php 4.03pl1, and I'm trying to connect to MS SQL 7. Well, I configured the php.ini (extension=php_mssql70.dll), and I copy that .dll to the windows folder. Now I want to connect to the SQL and it doesn't work, it makes a time out. If I do the same things with php 3.0.17 it works fine. The code:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head><title>Untitled</title></head> <body> <?php $HOST = "the host"; $USER = "the username"; $PSW = "the password"; $DB = "Database name"; if (mssql_connect($HOST, $USER, $PSW)) { mssql_select_db($DB); echo mssql_result( mssql_query("SELECT VERSION"), 0, 0); } if (!mssql_close()) echo "No lo pudo cerrar"; ?> </body> </html>

    Any solution? Thank you in advance . . .

    - n Angel - _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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    Hi,

    I have a peace of code PHP like this:

    <?php

    header("Location: http://www.php.net"); print ("Wait ....."); ?>

    But the word 'Wait' doesn't appear.

    I'm looking for a function that open a new window and write in the sentece "Wait ...."

    I'm sure you could help me.

    Thanks

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    I am running php4.04pl1 on RedHat6.2 with --esoob (EasySoft) connecting to MSSQL 7.0 on WinNT 4. The connection to this db works from another program on same machine.

    <? $connection = odbc_connect("dsn","user","password") or die ('could not connect to db'); $query = "SELECT * FROM customer WHERE email LIKE 'user%'"; $result = odbc_exec($connection,$query) or die('could not execute query'); $count = odbc_num_rows($result); echo $count; ?>

    $count is returning -1.

    When running SQL Server Enterprise Mgr. on NT box, this query reurns 3 dummy records. Does anyone see the error? All help appreciated.

    Michael Geier CDMSports Systems Administration EMail: mgeiercdmsports.com

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    hi michael,

    if you read the PHP manual, i think it says something like "odbc_num_rows" might or might not return the correct number of rows after a "SELECT" statement. in the case of easysoft odbc driver (which is what we're using as well), odbc_num_rows always returns -1 on a SELECT statement (it does return the correct number of rows on INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE).

    hope this helps. :)

    btw, a quick question. have you been able to get the easysoft odbc driver to return a more informative error message when a SQL query fails? (usually it just says "statement could not be prepared", it would be far more useful if it actually returns the same error message that MSSQL 7's query analyzer returns)

    remco chang www.bountyquest.com

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Geier" <mgeiercdmsports.com> To: "PHP Mailing List" <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: [PHP] trouble with odbc

    > I am running php4.04pl1 on RedHat6.2 with --esoob (EasySoft) connecting to > MSSQL 7.0 on WinNT 4. > The connection to this db works from another program on same machine. > > <? > $connection = odbc_connect("dsn","user","password") or die ('could not > connect to db'); > $query = "SELECT * FROM customer WHERE email LIKE 'user%'"; > $result = odbc_exec($connection,$query) or die('could not execute query'); > $count = odbc_num_rows($result); > echo $count; > ?> > > $count is returning -1. > > When running SQL Server Enterprise Mgr. on NT box, this query reurns 3 dummy > records. Does anyone see the error? All help appreciated. > > Michael Geier > CDMSports Systems Administration > EMail: mgeiercdmsports.com > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    Hello,

    I'm trying to pass back a link to the user in a textbox (so they can copy and paste it elsewhere), however my textbox is being parsed incorrectly by the browser because of the " quotes which happen in the link I'm passing - basically the HTML for the text box is getting parsed together with the HTML for the passed link and .... the results are messed up.

    How do you pass quotes to a textbox?

    Thanks!

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    If you want to put a " in an echo statement, you need to escape it first by putting the / before it, like /"

    The function addslashes does this for you.

    CB

    At 11:07 AM 2/1/01 -0700, Karl J. Stubsjoen wrote: >Hello, > >I'm trying to pass back a link to the user in a textbox (so they can copy >and paste it elsewhere), however my textbox is being parsed incorrectly by >the browser because of the " quotes which happen in the link I'm passing - >basically the HTML for the text box is getting parsed together with the HTML >for the passed link and .... the results are messed up. > >How do you pass quotes to a textbox? > >Thanks! > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    >I am trying to write a query to bring back rows that have null >values set in them.

    Try write

    WHERE [Start Construction Date] IS NULL OR [Actual Completion Date] IS NULL

    or alternatively selecting both nulls and empty attributes with or without white spaces:

    WHERE isnull([Actual Completion Date], '') = '' OR isnull([Start Construction Date]. '') = ''

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    Jason,

    Thanks for the pointer. Worked like a charm, well almost. I had to tweak my .htaccess file as it was messing up some global variables cause i was using absolute URLS to point to my error script.

    Someone else ask to see the script. You can check it at: http://www.social-ecology.org/404.txt The top part of the script actually does all the funky passing of error info to a selected email, and the bottom part is the page that is displayed upon a 404 error. You'll have to mess with your .htaccess so it looks something like this:

    ErrorDocument 404 /404.php

    Thanks again!

    Michael

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jason Murray wrote:

    > > I am writing a script that will send me an email every time a 404 > > error is returned for an http request. So far I have the script > > working so that it will email me and inform me of the URL of the > > page that has the offending link by using the HTTP_REFERER environment > > variable. I would also like to find out what the requested page URL is. > > I have checked phpinfo() for info on other Apache enviro variables, > > but can't seem to find anything that would work. How can I do this? > > Is it possible? > > Sure - $REQUEST_URI is what you're looking for. > > Example of its use: http://www.inww.com/typesomecrapinhere :) > > Jason > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > >

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    After some experimenting I find this 404.php program only shows the original missing file when the .htaccess file has the "ErrorDocument 404 /404.php" phrase. One might assume that putting this directly into the httpd.conf file of the Apache server would perform the same thing. Indeed, the value of where the link came from does survive, but the value of the missing file is always 404.php, not the actual missing page.

    Strange.

    > > Jason, > > Thanks for the pointer. Worked like a charm, well almost. I had to tweak > my .htaccess file as it was messing up some global variables cause i was > using absolute URLS to point to my error script. > > Someone else ask to see the script. You can check it > at: http://www.social-ecology.org/404.txt The top part of the script > actually does all the funky passing of error info to a selected email, and > the bottom part is the page that is displayed upon a 404 error. You'll > have to mess with your .htaccess so it looks something like this: > > ErrorDocument 404 /404.php > > Thanks again! > > Michael > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jason Murray wrote: > > > > I am writing a script that will send me an email every time a 404 > > > error is returned for an http request. So far I have the script > > > working so that it will email me and inform me of the URL of the > > > page that has the offending link by using the HTTP_REFERER > environment > > > variable. I would also like to find out what the requested > page URL is. > > > I have checked phpinfo() for info on other Apache enviro variables, > > > but can't seem to find anything that would work. How can I do this? > > > Is it possible? > > > > Sure - $REQUEST_URI is what you're looking for. > > > > Example of its use: http://www.inww.com/typesomecrapinhere :) > > > > Jason > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    John,

    I had the same problem, but it was a matter of how I was refering the teh 404 file in htaccess. It is working fine for me now. An example of my output is below. I wish I knew more about appache and htaccess to help you out, but I don't.

    michael

    WEBSITE-- www.social-ecology.org

    BAD LINK-- http://www.social-ecology.org/new/indexbog.html

    PAGE WITH BAD LINK-- http://www.social-ecology.org/indexbogus.html

    TYPE-- 404 File Not Found

    WHO WAS ACCESSING-- ch5blm.bellglobal.com

    USER AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; CNETHomeBuild051099; DigExt)

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, John Huggins wrote:

    > After some experimenting I find this 404.php program only shows the original > missing file when the .htaccess file has the "ErrorDocument 404 /404.php" > phrase. One might assume that putting this directly into the httpd.conf > file of the Apache server would perform the same thing. Indeed, the value > of where the link came from does survive, but the value of the missing file > is always 404.php, not the actual missing page. > > Strange. > > > > > Jason, > > > > Thanks for the pointer. Worked like a charm, well almost. I had to tweak > > my .htaccess file as it was messing up some global variables cause i was > > using absolute URLS to point to my error script. > > > > Someone else ask to see the script. You can check it > > at: http://www.social-ecology.org/404.txt The top part of the script > > actually does all the funky passing of error info to a selected email, and > > the bottom part is the page that is displayed upon a 404 error. You'll > > have to mess with your .htaccess so it looks something like this: > > > > ErrorDocument 404 /404.php > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Michael > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Jason Murray wrote: > > > > > > I am writing a script that will send me an email every time a 404 > > > > error is returned for an http request. So far I have the script > > > > working so that it will email me and inform me of the URL of the > > > > page that has the offending link by using the HTTP_REFERER > > environment > > > > variable. I would also like to find out what the requested > > page URL is. > > > > I have checked phpinfo() for info on other Apache enviro variables, > > > > but can't seem to find anything that would work. How can I do this? > > > > Is it possible? > > > > > > Sure - $REQUEST_URI is what you're looking for. > > > > > > Example of its use: http://www.inww.com/typesomecrapinhere :) > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > >

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    Ah yes, this seems to stem from the fact the "ErrorDocument 404 /404.php" is really a kind if redirect. What's weird about this is if you use it one way (in the .htaccess) the PHP variables that appear are pre-redirect. If you put "Errordocument 404 /404.php" into the httpd.conf the PHP variables are post-redirect and are just as if you went straight to the 404.php page. I am sure I am missing some kind of Apache "point-of-view," but is it working for most of my URLs now. Some ancient CGI accesses come in now and again and they show this problem.

    However, thanks for the idea and code. Even as just a 404 trigger, this is very useful. The emails are starting to show just how many old URLs exist on my servers.

    John

    > -----Original Message----- > From: Institute for Social Ecology [mailto:isesocial-ecology.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:32 PM > To: John Huggins > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] 404 error checker > > > John, > > I had the same problem, but it was a matter of how I was refering the teh > 404 file in htaccess. It is working fine for me now. An example of my > output is below. I wish I knew more about appache and htaccess to help > you out, but I don't. > > michael >

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    Hi!,

    I am rather a newbie with PHP.

    Can someone tell me how we can assign the content of a PHP variable to a Java variables in a script (and vice versa).

    Thanks

    Claude

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    Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding contrators/consultants find their way around.

    I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web development (or anything else).

    If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, please let me know.

    Thanks. Dean.

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    Great thread. When I was changing jobs in April of 2000, a recruiter told me that PHP is "cool and all", but there is zero demand for developers of PHP web apps (in Los Angeles). Although I've been very productive developing in PHP, he advised me to learn something else, b/c the demand just isn't there. I prefer PHP for my web dev, but I'm still curious how accurate he was.

    I know that that Java/EJB/JSP and COM/ASP is in MUCH more demand, and therefore command a higher wage. Demand vs supply, right?. A search today on monster.com for ASP in LA yields 142 listings, Java yields 262, JSP yields 32, Perl yields 105, PHP yields 16, cold fusion yields 16.

    -Has the demand changed much in your city since middle of last year? -Also, for developers who are proficient in several web dev environments, is it mostly true that you use PHP for your own personal projects, but some other language for big corporate clients. -What is the perception of PHP for mid/large organizations with more to risk? -What can we as a developer community do to change this?

    Thanks, I'm very interested in others' opinions on this.

    -Ben

    -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hall [mailto:hallapt7.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:43 AM To: PHP General Subject: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")

    Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding contrators/consultants find their way around.

    I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web development (or anything else).

    If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, please let me know.

    Thanks. Dean.

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    If you're in the US, look at your local Chamber of Commerce, or other County agencies. Most places have a "small business" division. As an Independent Contractor you're effectively a sole-proprieter business and follow the same laws, tax hits, etc.

    -Szii

    ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Hall <hallapt7.com> To: PHP General <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")

    Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding contrators/consultants find their way around.

    I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web development (or anything else).

    If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, please let me know.

    Thanks. Dean.

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    Demand is rising, insanely. I left an NT Systems programming position for a PHP position. Not every company develops software, but almost every company can benefit from a website/presence.

    Most "large organizations" like turnkey solutions from large "notable" companies. This is one of ASPs strongest points. However, as PHP grows, people will notice. Open Source ANYTHING still has a ways to go, but it's getting there.

    -Szii

    ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Munoz <bmunozivtweb.com> To: 'Dean Hall' <hallapt7.com>; PHP General <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")

    > > Great thread. When I was changing jobs in April of 2000, a recruiter told me > that PHP is "cool and all", but there is zero demand for developers of PHP > web apps (in Los Angeles). Although I've been very productive developing in > PHP, he advised me to learn something else, b/c the demand just isn't there. > I prefer PHP for my web dev, but I'm still curious how accurate he was. > > I know that that Java/EJB/JSP and COM/ASP is in MUCH more demand, and > therefore command a higher wage. Demand vs supply, right?. A search today > on monster.com for ASP in LA yields 142 listings, Java yields 262, JSP > yields 32, Perl yields 105, PHP yields 16, cold fusion yields 16. > > -Has the demand changed much in your city since middle of last year? > -Also, for developers who are proficient in several web dev environments, is > it mostly true that you use PHP for your own personal projects, but some > other language for big corporate clients. > -What is the perception of PHP for mid/large organizations with more to > risk? > -What can we as a developer community do to change this? > > Thanks, I'm very interested in others' opinions on this. > > -Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Hall [mailto:hallapt7.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:43 AM > To: PHP General > Subject: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP > programming???") > > > Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I > thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding > contrators/consultants find their way around. > > I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to > law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web > development (or anything else). > > If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of > self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, > please let me know. > > Thanks. > Dean. > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    Just some thoughts on this topic. I've ran a web development business for 6 years. I've seen demand for PHP grow exponentially in recent months. However, it still isn't anywhere near where it could be. I think the new Zend Products will help corporate acceptance and job growth. Right now when I look at sites like monster, hotjobs, guru.com, etc. there are few php listings. It is hard for clients looking explicitly for good php talent to find it easily. We used to get a number of good leads every month off of PHPBuilder.com's job board. However, it was taken down in recent months at parent company internet.com's request. I think we need a central site where people looking for contract work and full time employment positions can come and post jobs related to php. If anyone has a good domain idea or one already bought, I'd be glad to work with them on such a site. This type of site would need to be pushed by the community if they want to benefit from it. Just putting a job board up and letting it sit won't do the trick.

    Scott Delap SBC Services, Inc. sd3982momail.sbc.com 314-235-6216

    -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Munoz [mailto:bmunozivtweb.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:37 PM To: 'Dean Hall'; PHP General Subject: RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???")

    Great thread. When I was changing jobs in April of 2000, a recruiter told me that PHP is "cool and all", but there is zero demand for developers of PHP web apps (in Los Angeles). Although I've been very productive developing in PHP, he advised me to learn something else, b/c the demand just isn't there. I prefer PHP for my web dev, but I'm still curious how accurate he was.

    I know that that Java/EJB/JSP and COM/ASP is in MUCH more demand, and therefore command a higher wage. Demand vs supply, right?. A search today on monster.com for ASP in LA yields 142 listings, Java yields 262, JSP yields 32, Perl yields 105, PHP yields 16, cold fusion yields 16.

    -Has the demand changed much in your city since middle of last year? -Also, for developers who are proficient in several web dev environments, is it mostly true that you use PHP for your own personal projects, but some other language for big corporate clients. -What is the perception of PHP for mid/large organizations with more to risk? -What can we as a developer community do to change this?

    Thanks, I'm very interested in others' opinions on this.

    -Ben

    -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hall [mailto:hallapt7.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:43 AM To: PHP General Subject: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")

    Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding contrators/consultants find their way around.

    I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web development (or anything else).

    If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, please let me know.

    Thanks. Dean.

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    Mr. Delap,

    Perhaps the following site may help you in your quest for new employees that know not only PHP, but almost anything computer related, from beginners to advanced. If you haven't ran across it already, I think you might like it. Roam around it a bit: www.computerjobs.com.

    Also, I am planning on starting up my own Web Development company, something small for now. I want to focus more on XML, Push Technology, and Wireless Communications. Do you have any tips to get me started? Thanks. :)

    -- Navid Yar

    -----Original Message----- From: DELAP, SCOTT F (SBCSI) [mailto:sd3982sbc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:20 PM To: Benjamin Munoz; php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")

    Just some thoughts on this topic. I've ran a web development business for 6 years. I've seen demand for PHP grow exponentially in recent months. However, it still isn't anywhere near where it could be. I think the new Zend Products will help corporate acceptance and job growth. Right now when I look at sites like monster, hotjobs, guru.com, etc. there are few php listings. It is hard for clients looking explicitly for good php talent to find it easily. We used to get a number of good leads every month off of PHPBuilder.com's job board. However, it was taken down in recent months at parent company internet.com's request. I think we need a central site where people looking for contract work and full time employment positions can come and post jobs related to php. If anyone has a good domain idea or one already bought, I'd be glad to work with them on such a site. This type of site would need to be pushed by the community if they want to benefit from it. Just putting a job board up and letting it sit won't do the trick.

    Scott Delap SBC Services, Inc. sd3982momail.sbc.com 314-235-6216

    -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Munoz [mailto:bmunozivtweb.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:37 PM To: 'Dean Hall'; PHP General Subject: RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???")

    Great thread. When I was changing jobs in April of 2000, a recruiter told me that PHP is "cool and all", but there is zero demand for developers of PHP web apps (in Los Angeles). Although I've been very productive developing in PHP, he advised me to learn something else, b/c the demand just isn't there. I prefer PHP for my web dev, but I'm still curious how accurate he was.

    I know that that Java/EJB/JSP and COM/ASP is in MUCH more demand, and therefore command a higher wage. Demand vs supply, right?. A search today on monster.com for ASP in LA yields 142 listings, Java yields 262, JSP yields 32, Perl yields 105, PHP yields 16, cold fusion yields 16.

    -Has the demand changed much in your city since middle of last year? -Also, for developers who are proficient in several web dev environments, is it mostly true that you use PHP for your own personal projects, but some other language for big corporate clients. -What is the perception of PHP for mid/large organizations with more to risk? -What can we as a developer community do to change this?

    Thanks, I'm very interested in others' opinions on this.

    -Ben

    -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hall [mailto:hallapt7.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:43 AM To: PHP General Subject: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")

    Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding contrators/consultants find their way around.

    I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web development (or anything else).

    If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, please let me know.

    Thanks. Dean.

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    Well, actually, I own phpspot.com but never got the time to actually DO anything with it. Might as well put it to good use.. if someone wants to develop a site (and I might even have time to help, woo hoo!), I'd be in on it.

    Chad

    -----Original Message----- From: DELAP, SCOTT F (SBCSI) [mailto:sd3982sbc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:20 PM To: Benjamin Munoz; php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???")

    Just some thoughts on this topic. I've ran a web development business for 6 years. I've seen demand for PHP grow exponentially in recent months. However, it still isn't anywhere near where it could be. I think the new Zend Products will help corporate acceptance and job growth. Right now when I look at sites like monster, hotjobs, guru.com, etc. there are few php listings. It is hard for clients looking explicitly for good php talent to find it easily. We used to get a number of good leads every month off of PHPBuilder.com's job board. However, it was taken down in recent months at parent company internet.com's request. I think we need a central site where people looking for contract work and full time employment positions can come and post jobs related to php. If anyone has a good domain idea or one already bought, I'd be glad to work with them on such a site. This type of site would need to be pushed by the community if they want to benefit from it. Just putting a job board up and letting it sit won't do the trick.

    Scott Delap SBC Services, Inc. sd3982momail.sbc.com 314-235-6216

    -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Munoz [mailto:bmunozivtweb.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:37 PM To: 'Dean Hall'; PHP General Subject: RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???")

    Great thread. When I was changing jobs in April of 2000, a recruiter told me that PHP is "cool and all", but there is zero demand for developers of PHP web apps (in Los Angeles). Although I've been very productive developing in PHP, he advised me to learn something else, b/c the demand just isn't there. I prefer PHP for my web dev, but I'm still curious how accurate he was.

    I know that that Java/EJB/JSP and COM/ASP is in MUCH more demand, and therefore command a higher wage. Demand vs supply, right?. A search today on monster.com for ASP in LA yields 142 listings, Java yields 262, JSP yields 32, Perl yields 105, PHP yields 16, cold fusion yields 16.

    -Has the demand changed much in your city since middle of last year? -Also, for developers who are proficient in several web dev environments, is it mostly true that you use PHP for your own personal projects, but some other language for big corporate clients. -What is the perception of PHP for mid/large organizations with more to risk? -What can we as a developer community do to change this?

    Thanks, I'm very interested in others' opinions on this.

    -Ben

    -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hall [mailto:hallapt7.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:43 AM To: PHP General Subject: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???")

    Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding contrators/consultants find their way around.

    I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web development (or anything else).

    If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, please let me know.

    Thanks. Dean.

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    How about making a mailing list for job postings, i.e. php-jobslists.php.net?

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    and one place where everybody on the list could post their resumes in a little database that sorts by country / state?

    Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/

    I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Ahonen" <analogywheezebucket.com> To: <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???")

    > How about making a mailing list for job postings, i.e. > php-jobslists.php.net? > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    Or just post links to all the major job sites and links to people who are looking for workers...

    ----------------------------------------------------------- Nick.Stankus Software Engineer Logicon/Sterling Federal 402-232-7870 ----------------------------------------------------------- "There are two things that are infinite; Human stupidity and the universe. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh G" <joshgfunk007.com> To: "PHP User Group" <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???")

    | and one place where everybody on the list could post their resumes | in a little database that sorts by country / state? | | Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/ | | I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to | hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering. | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Stephan Ahonen" <analogywheezebucket.com> | To: <php-generallists.php.net> | Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:23 AM | Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr | ogramming???") | | | > How about making a mailing list for job postings, i.e. | > php-jobslists.php.net? | > | > | > -- | > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net | > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net | > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net | > | | | -- | PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) | To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net | For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net | To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    jobs.php-coder.net will be up and running later tonight. The nameservers will be updating over the next few days, but a simple link database and place to post resumes (maybe a blurb with a file attachment) will be up soon.

    --Joe

    On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:30:36PM -0600, stankusn wrote: > Or just post links to all the major job sites and links to people who are > looking for workers... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Nick.Stankus > Software Engineer > Logicon/Sterling Federal > 402-232-7870 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "There are two things that are infinite; Human stupidity and the > universe. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh G" <joshgfunk007.com> > To: "PHP User Group" <php-generallists.php.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr > ogramming???") > > > | and one place where everybody on the list could post their resumes > | in a little database that sorts by country / state? > | > | Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/ > | > | I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to > | hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering. > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Stephan Ahonen" <analogywheezebucket.com> > | To: <php-generallists.php.net> > | Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:23 AM > | Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr > | ogramming???") > | > | > | > How about making a mailing list for job postings, i.e. > | > php-jobslists.php.net? > | > > | > > | > -- > | > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > | > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > | > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > | > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > | > > | > | > | -- > | PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > | To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > | For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > | To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    I have implemented a PHP Developer's directory at http://www.phpusergroups.org where you can sign up to the directory and wehen people are looking for spot jobs you will receive a RFG (request for quotes).

    On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 09:22:24AM +1100, Josh G wrote: > and one place where everybody on the list could post their resumes > in a little database that sorts by country / state? > > Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/ > > I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to > hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephan Ahonen" <analogywheezebucket.com> > To: <php-generallists.php.net> > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr > ogramming???") > > > > How about making a mailing list for job postings, i.e. > > php-jobslists.php.net? > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:47:31PM -0600, cmoewesmoewes.com wrote: > I have implemented a PHP Developer's directory at > http://www.phpusergroups.org where you can sign up to the directory > and wehen people are looking for spot jobs you will receive a RFG > (request for quotes).

    Why do you not contact Brian Schaffner? On http://php.net/links.php there is a link to his "PHP Employment List".

    Another suggestion, why not jobs.php.net? I think Rasmus doesn't have other opinions.

    -Egon

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    because that's too easy! Why would we want to use a system that's already in place? hehehe...looks good! I think it'd be best to have PHP jobs listed at THE PHP.NET site...got my vote!

    -Jonathan

    > -----Original Message----- > From: eschmid+sics.netic.de [mailto:eschmid+sics.netic.de] > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:47 PM > To: cmoewesmoewes.com; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP > pr ogramming???") > > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:47:31PM -0600, cmoewesmoewes.com wrote: > > I have implemented a PHP Developer's directory at > > http://www.phpusergroups.org where you can sign up to the directory > > and wehen people are looking for spot jobs you will receive a RFG > > (request for quotes). > > Why do you not contact Brian Schaffner? On http://php.net/links.php there > is a link to his "PHP Employment List". > > Another suggestion, why not jobs.php.net? I think Rasmus doesn't have > other opinions. > > -Egon > > -- > http://www.linuxtag.de/ > http://php.net/books.php > http://www.concert-band.de/ > http://www.php-buch.de/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > > > >

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    Request For Goats? >I have implemented a PHP Developer's directory at >http://www.phpusergroups.org where you can sign up to the directory >and wehen people are looking for spot jobs you will receive a RFG >(request for quotes). >On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 09:22:24AM +1100, Josh G wrote: >> and one place where everybody on the list could post their resumes >> in a little database that sorts by country / state? >> >> Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/ >> >> I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to >> hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stephan Ahonen" <analogywheezebucket.com> >> To: <php-generallists.php.net> >> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr >> ogramming???") >> >> >> > How about making a mailing list for job postings, i.e. >> > php-jobslists.php.net? >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >> > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >> > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >> > >> >> >> -- >> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >> For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >> To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >> >-- >Christopher R. Moewes-Bystrom >cmoewesmoewes.com >http://www.moewes.com >http://www.linuxnovice.org >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    Benjamin Munoz wrote:

    > Great thread. When I was changing jobs in April of 2000, a recruiter told me > that PHP is "cool and all", but there is zero demand for developers of PHP > web apps (in Los Angeles). Although I've been very productive developing in > PHP, he advised me to learn something else, b/c the demand just isn't there. > I prefer PHP for my web dev, but I'm still curious how accurate he was. > > I know that that Java/EJB/JSP and COM/ASP is in MUCH more demand, and > therefore command a higher wage. Demand vs supply, right?. A search today > on monster.com for ASP in LA yields 142 listings, Java yields 262, JSP > yields 32, Perl yields 105, PHP yields 16, cold fusion yields 16. >

    There was some discussion on this list a few months back re: an employer looking

    for PHP coders. The job description on their site listed "PHP" as "an open source ASP". *MANY* "recruiters" don't know what the hell they're looking for, especially for smaller companies. They know they want result X and have heard 'java' is the answer, so they want 'java'. If they take the time to learn the lingo, and still want java, fine. But if they don't want to take the time to learn the options (benefits/drawbacks) then I wouldn't want to do business with them anyway.

    I also got turned down for a job some time ago because I didn't program CGI. Perl? yes. PHP? yes. CGI - no. I was talking to a recruiter and he'd looked at what I knew and said, sorry, no job for "perl" people - we need people who can code in CGI. I walked out at that point.

    In 1997, I saw a job posting in our local paper (detroit news) wanting people with 5 years Java experience.

    When talking to potential clients, don't push PHP - push solutions. When they learn that an equivalent ASP solution will be an extra $7000 in licensing over the open source equivalent, they'll often go open source. But only after they trust that you can deliver the end result in the first place, language choice aside.

    Obviously this doesn't work well with companies that already have a huge investment in one technology - people who dropped 5 figures on CF aren't going to throw it away tomorrow.

    > > -Has the demand changed much in your city since middle of last year?

    The demand for competent individuals who can deliver quality on time for a reasonable cost has gone up. Demand for people with particular language skills has, AFAICT, gone down.

    > > -Also, for developers who are proficient in several web dev environments, is > it mostly true that you use PHP for your own personal projects, but some > other language for big corporate clients. >

    We migrated two relatively large clients from ASP to PHP recently, and use it for all 'smaller' projects.

    > -What is the perception of PHP for mid/large organizations with more to > risk?

    "if it doesn't crash my servers, use it". PHP definitely has a leg up over ASP.

    > -What can we as a developer community do to change this? >

    Discussions like this for a start. :)

    > > Thanks, I'm very interested in others' opinions on this. > > -Ben >

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    > I'm at the end of my rope here... > > I have a 100,000+ line file containing IP addresses. For > each line, I need > to run a "gethostbyaddr" command. However, some lines take a > long time to > timeout. Is there a way I can decrease this timeout period > to one or two > seconds?

    i don't know about any function that does that, what i did with something simmilar is to automaticly generate a frames page that calls the script which then only performs 10 or so of the tasks. you can easyly have that page open 10 or so browserwindows. if you generate a framesmatrix 10*10 open 10 pages at least the time it takes will be devided by 1000 ( in avg.....) ( and of cause you will need something threadsafe/stable to safe the results.....)

    sebastian

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    set_time_limit() ? Read the docs - this may be the solution.

    CB

    At 07:43 PM 2/1/01 +0100, Sebastian Stadtlich wrote: > > I'm at the end of my rope here... > > > > I have a 100,000+ line file containing IP addresses. For > > each line, I need > > to run a "gethostbyaddr" command. However, some lines take a > > long time to > > timeout. Is there a way I can decrease this timeout period > > to one or two > > seconds? > >i don't know about any function that does that, what i did with something >simmilar is to >automaticly generate a frames page that calls the script which then only >performs 10 or so >of the tasks. you can easyly have that page open 10 or so browserwindows. >if you generate a framesmatrix 10*10 open 10 pages at least the time it >takes will >be devided by 1000 ( in avg.....) >( and of cause you will need something threadsafe/stable to safe the >results.....) > >sebastian > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    Can someone explain to me why this does not work...

    All pages on my site <?require?> header and footer files... the header file calls an <?include?> to config.inc and functions.inc

    I have a function to connect to the db in functions.inc, that many other functions and includes use.

    All works fine....

    but, I have a login page similar to all other pages with <?require?> calls.. this page is entirely written from a function... Now, calls to functions from .inc files included in the login page (with me so far) do not work... My connect function will not connect...

    writing this out I realize that it is seems quite complex, but my question is... can I not call functions from scripts that are included in a page that is itself written out from a function?

    Charlie

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    I was wondering if I can pass an array that has serialized objects to next page via url encoding

    $foo //array with serialized objects in it

    with the following encoding

    something/something/foobar.php?foo=echo($foo)

    and be able too unserialize $foo on the next page(foovar.php)

    ryan

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    "Conover, Ryan" wrote: > > I was wondering if I can pass an array that has serialized objects to next > page via url encoding > > $foo //array with serialized objects in it > > with the following encoding > > something/something/foobar.php?foo=echo($foo) > > and be able too unserialize $foo on the next page(foovar.php)

    I would go with rawurlencode (serialize ($foo)), as the value, and I guess it will work.

    BTW, why aren't you using the session support? In that case it will pass only the session ID,and the data associated w/ it will be un/serialized only on the server, w/o being passed back and forth.

    -- teodor

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    Does anyone know of a function in version 3.0.7 that does the same thing to shuffle(), which was implemented in 3.0.8? I'm trying to run a banner script I found, and I guess we were 1 one-hundredth of a version off for this thing...

    Or, how painless is it to upgrade to the latest version? I'm assuming that PHP is backwards compatible...

    Thanks. Jason

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    I had the same problem... I wrote a function that does this:

    function scramble(&$array) { // scrambles the elements of a one dimentional array // written by cblack (cblackteamgenesis.com) // in php3 >= 3.0.8, there's a function called shuffle that does this for ($i=0;$i<sizeof($array);$i++) { // seed random number generator srand((double) microtime() * 1000000);

    // store whatever is in $array[$i] in a temp var $temp = $array[$i];

    // generate a random number to swap with $newvalue = rand(0, sizeof($array));

    // swap values $array[$i] = $array[$newvalue]; $array[$newvalue] = $temp; }

    return 1; }

    Feel free to modify...

    CB

    At 02:06 PM 2/1/01 -0500, Jason Jacobs wrote: >Does anyone know of a function in version 3.0.7 that does the same thing to >shuffle(), which was implemented in 3.0.8? I'm trying to run a banner >script I found, and I guess we were 1 one-hundredth of a version off for >this thing... > >Or, how painless is it to upgrade to the latest version? I'm assuming that >PHP is backwards compatible... > >Thanks. >Jason > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    When I perform thi function: $new = htmlspecialchars("<a href='test'>Test</a>", ENT_QUOTES);

    I get the following error:

    Warning: Wrong parameter count for htmlspecialchars() in utility/HTMLFormObjects1-1.php on line 135

    Anyone know why?

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    On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 05:58, Karl J. Stubsjoen wrote: > When I perform thi function: > $new = htmlspecialchars("<a href='test'>Test</a>", ENT_QUOTES); > > I get the following error: > > Warning: Wrong parameter count for htmlspecialchars() in > utility/HTMLFormObjects1-1.php on line 135 > > > Anyone know why?

    What version of PHP are you using? From TFM:

    Also note that the optional second argument was added in PHP 3.0.17 and PHP 4.0.3.

    Cheers

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    hi! i would like to read in a txt file in the frame index page and use it through a session in pages.

    It does not work if index.php starts the session and succesfully registers a var, because a php page in a frame does not recognize the var.

    Chris

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    When you define the index.php and load the frames go ahead and start the session and then pass the variables to the frame like this:

    <frameset> <frame src="main.php?var1=test&var2=test" ...> <frameset> and then on main.php if you echo $var1 it will it will print "test"

    Good Luck!

    .:: Nathan Cook [ ncookpcsedu.com ] ::. Systems & Network Administrator :: Programmer [ phone - 208.343.3110 ][ pager - 208.387.9983 ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hayes" <chayesantenna.nl> To: <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [PHP] sessions with frames

    > hi! > i would like to read in a txt file in the frame index page and use it > through a session in pages. > > It does not work if index.php starts the session and succesfully registers a > var, because a php page in a frame does not recognize the var. > > Chris > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- C.Hayes Droevendaal 35 6708 PB Wageningen the Netherlands -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net > >

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    I am looking for a little more detailed information of the imap function of php4. The dos point me to 'docs/internal.txt' but that does not exist on my windows 'play' system. I cant find it on another rs/6000 I have it installed on either. Does someone have the file they can e-mail to me? Or point me to where I can get it?

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    docs/internal.txt is part of the imap source tarball

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Larry Hotchkiss wrote:

    > I am looking for a little more detailed information of the imap > function of php4. The dos point me to 'docs/internal.txt' but that does > not exist on my windows 'play' system. I cant find it on another rs/6000 > I have it installed on either. Does someone have the file they can > e-mail to me? Or point me to where I can get it? > > -- > Larry Hotchkiss > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    Thanks Rasmus, but I cant find just the imap source tarball. I do have the complete source from php.net but there is no 'internal.txt' anywhere in it.

    Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > docs/internal.txt is part of the imap source tarball > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Larry Hotchkiss wrote: > > > I am looking for a little more detailed information of the imap > > function of php4. The dos point me to 'docs/internal.txt' but that does > > not exist on my windows 'play' system. I cant find it on another rs/6000 > > I have it installed on either. Does someone have the file they can > > e-mail to me? Or point me to where I can get it? > > > > -- > > Larry Hotchkiss

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    I'm developing on Windows, and I have a bit of code that is designed to do a quick recursive read on a folder. An integral part of this is the use of the is_dir() function to decide if it should recurse or not.

    DoIt('G:\\');

    function DoIt($path){ $handle=opendir("$path"); echo "Directory handle: $handle\n<br>"; echo "Files:\n"; while (($file = readdir($handle))) { if (is_dir($file) and $file != '.'){ #otherwise the '.' will send it into a loop print "<dir>"; DoIt($file); print "</dir>"; } else { print "<li>".$file; } } closedir($handle); }

    The problem I have is rather odd. It seems to work on one machine (a Windows NT 4 box) but on two others (one windows 98 and one NT4) the if_dir() function returns false for everything except the . directory.

    Does anyone know why this would be?

    thanks.

    Michael Hall Database Engineer Prairie Fire Web Design mikepfbiz.com

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    I'm looking to hire an *experienced* PHP programmer with experience in PHP4, mySQL and Perl. The project involves taking an existing system that's written mostly in Perl, and re-writing it in PHP4. To avoid the pitfalls and problems of the existing system, we'll be implementing a different strategy in our re-design.

    I've been a consultant for 20 years, and am experienced in PHP, mySQL, Unix, bind, Apache, DHCP, Diablo, VAX/VMS and some esoteric systems. My business has grown to the point where I can't do all the projects, and I want to build a team of reliable employees and/or contractors I can delegate to.

    I'm looking for people who have experience solving business problems. That is, you should be able to analyze a problem and devise algorithms on your own. I am *not* looking for someone who just learned PHP and has no real-world problem solving experience.

    If you're interested, please email me directly -- lewlppi.com I have offices in Palo Alto, CA and Los Angeles, CA. But if you are disciplined and experienced, you can work from home obviously.

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    Palo Alto, CA  94303
    

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    help... ok, now this looks quite straightforward...

    $filename="http://remoteserver/path/file"; $file=fopen($filename,"r") or die("cant open $filename"); while(!feof($file)){ $line=fgets($file,4096); echo $line; }

    but when i run it i get an error

    fopen("http://195.92.38.87/cgi-win/homeview.dll?details1?src=1050&PropertyCo de=1050003/SAPHI/14665/3","r") -

    Inappropriate ioctl for device in /home/httpd/docs/test.php on line 6

    So can someone please tell me, what the blazes an ioctl is and why do i have an inappropriate one?

    The remote file is fine,

    Thanks

    Kif

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    This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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    > You left some attributes off: > > <joke type="bad" ratingOutOf10="2">

    $retaliation = explode("",$badjoke);

    Either that, or:

    $joke = str_replace($badjoke,$goodjoke,$joke);

    Sig for a Day Stephan Ahonen, ICQ 491101 "That's very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes!" Come back tomorrow for a different sig! Backspace a single "s" to reply by email

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    > Where do I start?

    I got started when I wanted to upgrade a site I co-run to some semblance of automation, so we got a guy who knew PHP to do it for us... He started working on a webn-page-in-a-template script, but wasn't able to finish it due to schoolwork. I decided to try my hand at it, so I looked at the code (thankfully, it wasn't as complicated as some of the stuff I see on here - oy vey), got a general idea of what everything did by looking at it, and started improving it. The online manual at http://www.php.net/manual/en/ was extremely helpful for looking up functions.

    Sig for a Day Stephan Ahonen, ICQ 491101 "That's very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes!" Come back tomorrow for a different sig! Backspace a single "s" to reply by email

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    index.php: <? session_start read in $array from csv file ?>

    <frameset... menu content

    and now: how can i continue the session in the content pages?

    Chris

    -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- C.Hayes Droevendaal 35 6708 PB Wageningen the Netherlands -- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Hi! I installed the IIS and PHP4 on WinNT 4 for testing purpose only. (Tsk!Tsk! I like Unix better!) And they are working great so far. One after another, things that don't work are starting to work and it is taking a while. Right now, I have an script error saying undefined function, virtual(). So, where can I find the dll php librar(ies) for windows? I don't even know what libraries does it come with for Windows.

    Thanks, Scott

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    virtual() is an apache-specific function.

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Scott Fletcher wrote:

    > Hi! I installed the IIS and PHP4 on WinNT 4 for testing purpose only. > (Tsk!Tsk! I like Unix better!) And they are working great so far. One > after another, things that don't work are starting to work and it is taking > a while. Right now, I have an script error saying undefined function, > virtual(). So, where can I find the dll php librar(ies) for windows? I > don't even know what libraries does it come with for Windows. > > Thanks, > Scott > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    Aww! That's suck! Look like a conversion from Apache to IIS is a bad idea.

    Thanks, Scott

    ""Scott Fletcher"" <scottabcoa.com> wrote in message news:95cn8n$tms$1toye.p.sourceforge.net... > Hi! I installed the IIS and PHP4 on WinNT 4 for testing purpose only. > And they are working great so far. One after another, things that don't work > are starting to work and it is taking a while. Right now, I have an script error > saying undefined function, virtual(). So, where can I find the dll php > librar(ies) for windows? I don't even know what libraries does it come with > for Windows. > > Thanks, > Scott > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    Hey there -

    I was wondering what the recommended sites are to post/find jobs related to web development - especially PHP. The sites I've visited list mostly ASP and Java related jobs so I'm wondering where do the PHP folks go to find opportunities. While I'm not looking for a PHP expert, I'm looking for someone with good web skills and has at least some PHP experience (as well as the desire to learn more!). I'd appreciate any recommendations/advice.

    Thanks in advance, brian

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    Hey Brian-

    Finding someone with past PHP experience is still difficult. Instead, look for people who are recreational programmers or who have a deep understanding of the mechanics behind HTTP. Whether they've worked with Java, ASP, Perl, Python, or any CGI-style environment is IMHO irrelevant. PHP as a language is not difficult to learn. Overcoming the inherant limitations of programming for the web seems to be the bigger hurdle. People don't need to have used PHP to conquer this hurdle. Either way, I'd be wary about making PHP experience a prerequisite.

    The desire to learn is important. Some people come in to a PHP project with the misconception that "PHP sucks" and that their own future marketability as programmers is somehow being tarnished by virtue of the fact that they have to learn and use it. Write them off.

    John

    --
    

    John Donagher Application Engineer Intacct Corp. - Powerful Accounting on the Web 408-395-0989 720 University Ave. Los Gatos CA 95032 www.intacct.com

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Brian Tully wrote:

    > Hey there - > > I was wondering what the recommended sites are to post/find jobs related to > web development - especially PHP. The sites I've visited list mostly ASP > and Java related jobs so I'm wondering where do the PHP folks go to find > opportunities. While I'm not looking for a PHP expert, I'm looking for > someone with good web skills and has at least some PHP experience (as well > as the desire to learn more!). I'd appreciate any recommendations/advice. > > Thanks in advance, > brian > > >

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    Hey guys. Can I firstly say, thanks to all of you who helped me out with my last question about importing MS Access databases into MySQL... It helped tons!

    However, I have another question.

    Firstly, I've strayed away from writing many of my own functions, because they give me the fear. But the code on the pages I am creating has forced me to wake up... I really sould think about cutting back on code.

    SO, anyway, to cut to the chase, my question is this: If I write a function, which performs checks and assigns variable based on these checks, how do I get the assigned variables from within the function? For example (this is more than likely VERY wrong), something like this:

    global.inc:

    <?

    function CheckBirthday() { global $year,$month,$day;

    if (($day) && ($month) && ($year)) { if (checkdate($day,$month,$year) { $birthday = "$year/$month/$day"; } else { $birthday = "Invalid"; } } }

    ?>

    File that would update / insert information to a MySQL database:

    <?

    // Connection details here

    require("global.inc");

    CheckBirthday();

    $sql = "UPDATE MyTable SET birthday = \"$birthday\" WHERE id = \"$id\" ";

    // etc

    ?>

    Even when I KNOW that I have included correct values, the $birthday variable never shows up outside the function. It's probably something simple I'm missing, as in most cases ;)

    Thanks for your patience,

    James.

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    On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:51, James, Yz wrote: > Hey guys. Can I firstly say, thanks to all of you who helped me out with > my last question about importing MS Access databases into MySQL... It > helped tons! > > However, I have another question. > > Firstly, I've strayed away from writing many of my own functions, because > they give me the fear. But the code on the pages I am creating has > forced me to wake up... I really sould think about cutting back on code. > > SO, anyway, to cut to the chase, my question is this: If I write a > function, which performs checks and assigns variable based on these > checks, how do I get the assigned variables from within the function? > For example (this is more than likely VERY wrong), something like this: > > global.inc: > > <? > > function CheckBirthday() { > global $year,$month,$day; > > if (($day) && ($month) && ($year)) { > if (checkdate($day,$month,$year) { > $birthday = "$year/$month/$day"; > } else { > $birthday = "Invalid"; > } > } > } > > ?> > > File that would update / insert information to a MySQL database: > > <? > > // Connection details here > > require("global.inc"); > > CheckBirthday(); > > $sql = "UPDATE MyTable > SET > birthday = \"$birthday\" > WHERE id = \"$id\" > "; > > // etc > > ?> > > Even when I KNOW that I have included correct values, the $birthday > variable never shows up outside the function. It's probably something > simple I'm missing, as in most cases ;) > > Thanks for your patience, > > James.

    The specific answer to your question is that the variable $birthday is local to the function - check out variable scope in the manual.

    But in fact there is another way of doing it - pass the values to check as parameters to the function and have it return a result, thus:

    function CheckBirthday($year,$month,$day) {

    if (($day) && ($month) && ($year)) { if (checkdate($day,$month,$year) { $birthday = "$year/$month/$day"; } else { $birthday = "Invalid"; } } return $birthday }

    and to use it:

    $result = CheckBirthday($year,$month,$day); $sql = "UPDATE MyTable SET birthday = \"$result\" WHERE id = \"$id\" ";

    Those " around the variables probably should be ' if you are playing with mysql char fields.

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    RESEARCH CENTRE FOR INJURY STUDIES  | http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/
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                Flinders University, ADELAIDE, SOUTH AUSTRALIA
    

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    Hi,

    I've got a problem with the HTTP_REFERER. I'll explain it to you now.

    I've got a site where I can't logon to to change some things. That site checks the HTTP_REFERER variable and if it matches with what's in the MySQL db it passes you through.

    Now I've got a site which has to have access to that site. Is there a possiblity to change the referer in the httpheader?

    I already tried header("Http-referer: www.name.com"); and header("Referer: www.name.com"); and so one, but the headers_sent() function keeps on returing false. (So headers aren't sent)

    When I replace the referer for e.g. Location: www.name.com the header is sent (headers_sent() returns true)

    Hope someone can help me.

    Greetz & already thanks.

    Frank

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    When I do this: $link = mysql_pconnect("localhost", $this->db_user_id, $this->db_passwd);

    And I do this: if(!($result = mysql_query($querystr))) { ...

    Then I do this: $result = DoQuery($q);

    What objects are there to close? In ASP we issue code like this to close these objects: rs.close set rs = nothing db.close set db = nothing (where rs is the recordset and db is the database)

    Thank You!

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    On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:58, Karl J. Stubsjoen wrote: > When I do this: > $link = mysql_pconnect("localhost", $this->db_user_id, > $this->db_passwd); > > And I do this: > if(!($result = mysql_query($querystr))) { ... > > Then I do this: > $result = DoQuery($q); > > > What objects are there to close? In ASP we issue code like this to close > these objects: > rs.close > set rs = nothing > db.close > set db = nothing > (where rs is the recordset and db is the database) > > Thank You!

    You don't need to do anything - when the script terminates all that sort of thing is done for you by PHP. However, if you have a result set that may be using a bit of memory, and you have a lot more script after the result set is done with, you can use mysql_free_result. From TFM:

    mysql_free_result - Free result memory

    Description

    int mysql_free_result (int result)

    mysql_free_result() will free all memory associated with the result identifier result.

    mysql_free_result() only needs to be called if you are concerned about how much memory is being used for queries that return large result sets. All associated result memory is automatically freed at the end of the script's execution.

    For downward compatibility mysql_freeresult() can also be used.

    Cheers

    -- 
    David Robley                        | WEBMASTER & Mail List Admin
    RESEARCH CENTRE FOR INJURY STUDIES  | http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/
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                Flinders University, ADELAIDE, SOUTH AUSTRALIA
    

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    True for PHP+Mysql, but not for all databases. Oracle for example, will run out of cursors in a week or two on a low-traffic site if you don't close them and the db server will need a kick in the nuts to get back up

    Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/

    I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Robley" <huntsmanhermes.nisu.flinders.edu.au> To: "Karl J. Stubsjoen" <karlflipskstub.com>; "PHP Mailing List" <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] Closing Objects "Cleaning Up"

    > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:58, Karl J. Stubsjoen wrote: > > When I do this: > > $link = mysql_pconnect("localhost", $this->db_user_id, > > $this->db_passwd); > > > > And I do this: > > if(!($result = mysql_query($querystr))) { ... > > > > Then I do this: > > $result = DoQuery($q); > > > > > > What objects are there to close? In ASP we issue code like this to close > > these objects: > > rs.close > > set rs = nothing > > db.close > > set db = nothing > > (where rs is the recordset and db is the database) > > > > Thank You! > > You don't need to do anything - when the script terminates all that sort of > thing is done for you by PHP. However, if you have a result set that may be > using a bit of memory, and you have a lot more script after the result set > is done with, you can use mysql_free_result. From TFM: > > > mysql_free_result - Free result memory > > Description > > int mysql_free_result (int result) > > mysql_free_result() will free all memory associated with the > result identifier result. > > mysql_free_result() only needs to be called if you are concerned about how > much memory is being used for queries that return large result sets. All > associated result memory is automatically freed at the end of the script's > execution. > > For downward compatibility mysql_freeresult() can also be used. > > Cheers > -- > David Robley | WEBMASTER & Mail List Admin > RESEARCH CENTRE FOR INJURY STUDIES | http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/ > AusEinet | http://auseinet.flinders.edu.au/ > Flinders University, ADELAIDE, SOUTH AUSTRALIA > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net >

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    What is the purpose of the SPRINTF in this instance?

    SPRINTF("SELECT equence,prodnum,childdesc,onhand,openorders,avlallocate,bakorder,webpricing FROM prodaval");

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    Does anyone know how to integrate C++ and PHP if there are some data changes between PHP program and C++ program?

    What I can think about is: in PHP, put the data in a file, and use "system" call to activate the c++ program. After that, let the c++ program to read the data file, and output the result into another file, and let the PHP to read the result file. But there is one question: will php wait until C++ program finish if I use "system" function from PHP?

    Is there any better way to do the integration?

    Thanks, G.Z.

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    I've been looking through the manual but I keep on missing the function or it doesn't exist. I need to know if there is a way to get a specified HTML page (as if you were to go to the page by typing in the url in your browser) and either turn it into a string or array or something that I would be able to cut up and use the information that I need. This way PHP does the work instead of going to the page yourself.

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    http://snoopy.sourceforge.net/

    very cool class for retrieving remote webpages even supports cookies and HTTPS (using cURL)

    ^^rk

    Jared Howard wrote: > > I've been looking through the manual but I keep on missing the function or > it doesn't exist. > I need to know if there is a way to get a specified HTML page (as if you > were to go to the page by typing in the url in your browser) and either > turn it into a string or array or something that I would be able to cut up > and use the information that I need. This way PHP does the work instead of > going to the page yourself. > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

    -- 
    << If I was a signature file, where would I be?? >>
    

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    In addition to what's been mentioned, check out the :

    readfile, fread and fgets functions...

    James.

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    something like this perhaps ?

    $remotefile = file($remote_file_url); $file_contents = join( '', $remotefile);

    Cheers Kif

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Howard" <webbiedeanox.com> To: <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: [PHP] Retrieve HTML page

    > I've been looking through the manual but I keep on missing the function or > it doesn't exist. > I need to know if there is a way to get a specified HTML page (as if you > were to go to the page by typing in the url in your browser) and either > turn it into a string or array or something that I would be able to cut up > and use the information that I need. This way PHP does the work instead of > going to the page yourself. > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribelists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-helplists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-adminlists.php.net

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    Greetings!

    I am currently working on a project that creates an FDF document on-the-fly. The end user should beable to click on a link (something like http://whatever.com/mydoc.html? here>) and download an FDF document. Users who have acrobat reader installed (with the browser plugin) should beable to simply click on the link, and reader will open, displaying the proper pdf with the fields filled in

    The problem is: When a user clicks on the link, the fdf document either 1) is displayed in plain text (despite the proper header being sent) or 2) acrobat reader opens but displays an error saying the file can not be found.

    I can right click on the link, and choose to save to disk. Once I have the fdf document on disk, opening it will propely open its associated pdf and fill in the fields.

    Has any one had this type of problem before? could web cacheing be causing this? could php sessions be influencing this?

    Please CC me your reply (pshafernetsolutionsllc.com) as I am not on this list.

    Thanks.

    -Patrick Shafer

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    I want to install my personal server on a old Intel 486 machine, 36 Mb RAM, 2 Gb HardDisk, VGA, to develop in PHP. What version of Linux do I need to install?

    Andrés de la Varga.

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    I'm interested in the proposition made recently on this list that PHP is somehow a 'lightweight' language that some people don't take seriously. I am relatively new to Linux and open source programming and only really know PHP and some shell scripting, though I am now starting to explore Python.

    I have had a quick overview of several languages and it seems to me that they all deal with the same basic components and logic:

    variables statements flow control functions classes etc etc etc

    So I'm wondering, apart from the fact that PHP is web centric, what features does the language lack that prevent some from taking it seriously? It appears to me to use the same basic elements and logic as any other programming language. Maybe it doesn't have tedious requirements for memory management like C, but so what? Neither does Python.

    Any comments appreciated.

    Mick

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    I have several PHP files that I only want users to be able to access via HTTPS. How can I control that on an Apache 1.3.14 server running on RedHat 7? I have openssl and mod_ssl working fine. Currently, I can access all of the files on my site via either http or https. I want to keep certain files (with interesting information) from being accessed via http. I realize this isn't really a PHP question, but I have no idea how to do this.

    Thanks.

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    All -

    Any easy way to take a string and fill the spaces in it? Say like a URLencoding:

    This is my dog, Jack becomes This%20is%20my%20dog,%20Jack

    I ask this as I would like to send a string to a perl function that can parse the string and create a hash from it based on delimiters I define. But if there are spaces in the string in between defined fields, it is thrown off.

    BTW, I tried both ereg_replace() and str_replace() with no luck as below:

    $my_string = "This is my dog, Jack"; str_replace(" ", "%20", $my_string);

    $my_string remains with spaces, not %20s.

    Thanks.

    Kevin McCarthy