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Date: Sun Aug 04 2002 - 00:22:36 CDT

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php-general Digest 4 Aug 2002 05:22:36 -0000 Issue 1504

Topics (messages 110973 through 111044):

Re: Protect PHP coding
        110973 by: Acer
        110976 by: Scott
        110977 by: Acer
        110980 by: Rasmus Lerdorf
        110981 by: Rasmus Lerdorf
        110988 by: Maxim Maletsky
        110993 by: Bob Lockie
        110996 by: Jason Wong
        111001 by: Acer
        111002 by: Danny Shepherd
        111003 by: Acer
        111004 by: Acer
        111005 by: Acer
        111010 by: Maxim Maletsky
        111011 by: Maxim Maletsky
        111023 by: Justin French
        111024 by: Acer
        111025 by: Justin French
        111026 by: Maxim Maletsky
        111028 by: Justin French
        111030 by: Chris Shiflett
        111031 by: Acer
        111032 by: Acer
        111033 by: Acer
        111034 by: Maxim Maletsky
        111035 by: Acer
        111036 by: Acer
        111037 by: Maxim Maletsky
        111038 by: Acer
        111041 by: César Aracena
        111043 by: Acer
        111044 by: Maxim Maletsky

Re: RegEx (back referencing)
        110974 by: Phil Ewington
        110975 by: Danny Shepherd
        110990 by: Danny Shepherd

encoders
110978 by: Bob Lockie

Regular Expressions (PCRE library)
        110979 by: Jürgen
        110982 by: Jason Wong
        110989 by: Jürgen
        110992 by: Jason Wong
        110999 by: Jürgen

Include problems
        110983 by: Scott
        110984 by: Peter
        110985 by: Daniel Kushner
        110997 by: Scott
        111008 by: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::
        111012 by: Maxim Maletsky
        111013 by: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::

starting Apache
        110986 by: Nick Niehoff
        110991 by: Kirk Babb
        110994 by: Jason Wong
        110995 by: Bob Lockie

User Authentication Problem
110987 by: Tony Harrison
110998 by: Monty

Re: Need Help with register_globals OFF
111000 by: Monty

__functionName?
111006 by: Jim Dam

register_argc_argv
111007 by: Monty

May i?
        111009 by: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::
        111015 by: George Nicolae
        111018 by: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::
        111020 by: Maxim Maletsky
        111021 by: Jason Stechschulte
        111022 by: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::
        111039 by: César Aracena

Safe Mode seems to turn on and off randomly
111014 by: Andrew Brampton

Decode email
111016 by: support-bot.saudiabm.net
111019 by: Maxim Maletsky

Php manual
111017 by: support-bot.saudiabm.net

Session problem with https
111027 by: Andre Dubuc

parse_str () problems. using on the command line args ( argv[1]) - problem with php-4.2.2 ??
111029 by: Neil

Vote to ban Acer
111040 by: Andrew Brampton
111042 by: Jason Stechschulte

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I made that statement because this subject has been brought up several times
and nothing has been said from the php gods. I mean out of this whole
thread, your only comment is "That's probably the most uninformed statement
I have seen posted to this list in a very long time."

-----Original Message-----
From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net]
Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM
To: Acer
Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; php-generallists.php.net
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

> You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight
> click so it's business as usual.

That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this
list in a very long time.

-Rasmus

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On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote: > You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight > click so it's business as usual.

You're kidding, right? When was the last time you saw one the creator of ASP on a mailing list personally answering code questions?

For what it's worth, I just left a 50,000 employee company that would not let me use PHP in production until I showed them the Zend suite of products. When I asked for the money to buy their IDE and it arrived I was allowed to move my PHP code to production. Same deal as Sun now charging for Star Office, in corporate eyes they now see a company making money from a product which will give the company the ability to enhance the product and most important provide support.

So, while we all may not be able to afford some of the tools that Zend is creating they continue to have a dedication to the open source community. I view it as the better Zend does, the more developers they can hire and the better all of the products will be including their contributions to PHP.

-Scott

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Don't get me wrong rasmus, I don't have any problems with you. It's just fishy when some guy in the UK was able to put together a php accelerator for free and a php encoder for $0.50 a pop while zend is charging several thousands. You have to wonder how much work zend is actually putting into their products to justify the price. Plus, these guys are the ones building php so something is not right.

-----Original Message----- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM To: Acer Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

> You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight > click so it's business as usual.

That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this list in a very long time.

-Rasmus

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There are nearly 600 people with cvs commit access to cvs.php.net. Saying that Zend are the ones building PHP is a gross injustice to the majority of the people working on PHP. I have absolutely no relationship with Zend and I have built big chunks of PHP as have countless others with nothing to gain from Zend commercializing anything.

Commercial interest in the PHP market is simple fact that comes from PHP's overwhelming success. It is a sign of the project's maturity and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. And if I had to choose between commercial interests also contributing to PHP itself vs. not contributing, I would much prefer them to contribute things. There are plenty of companies selling into the PHP space without contributing anything back to PHP. So, faulting Zend for having both commercial products and also contributing to PHP itself makes very little sense to me.

Finally, you are arguing about commercial software pricing not matching the effort that goes into making it? C'mon, if all commercial software was priced simply to recoup development costs, then Windows should cost about 2 cents and Oracle about a dime.

The bottom line is that there is no conspiracy here. The PHP Group is far from a tightknit group that agrees on everything. In fact we disagree on just about everything you can imagine and we are certainly not a group of people who sit around with nothing to do except help Zend make money. You will find if you poke around a little bit, several members, including myself, have helped projects that make free alternatives to various commercial products from Zend and other companies.

-Rasmus

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote:

> Don't get me wrong rasmus, I don't have any problems with you. It's just > fishy when some guy in the UK was able to put together a php accelerator for > free and a php encoder for $0.50 a pop while zend is charging several > thousands. You have to wonder how much work zend is actually putting into > their products to justify the price. Plus, these guys are the ones building > php so something is not right. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] > Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM > To: Acer > Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight > > click so it's business as usual. > > That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this > list in a very long time. > > -Rasmus > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > >

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Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. Others in the group either have more sense or have given up on answering php-general questions.

My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I would never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the php source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through a license. People who choose to violate that license are the same people who will hack your encoded scripts anyway. And this way the honest customers will have the benefit of the code to customize, learn from, build on top of. Closed source stuff stifles innovation and I personally refuse to work on a PHP encoder for this reason. Imagine if I had never released the source for PHP? We would not be having this discussion today.

I know plenty of people disagree with this view, but there you have it.

-Rasmus

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote:

> I made that statement because this subject has been brought up several times > and nothing has been said from the php gods. I mean out of this whole > thread, your only comment is "That's probably the most uninformed statement > I have seen posted to this list in a very long time." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] > Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM > To: Acer > Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight > > click so it's business as usual. > > That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this > list in a very long time. > > -Rasmus > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > >

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Well said, Rasmus.

- Maxim Maletsky

-----Original Message----- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:06 PM To: Acer Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. Others in the group either have more sense or have given up on answering php-general questions.

I know plenty of people disagree with this view, but there you have it.

-Rasmus

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote:

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>My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I would >never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the php >source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through a >license. People who choose to violate that license are the same people >who will hack your encoded scripts anyway. And this way the honest >customers will have the benefit of the code to customize, learn from, >build on top of. Closed source stuff stifles innovation and I personally >refuse to work on a PHP encoder for this reason. Imagine if I had never >released the source for PHP? We would not be having this discussion >today.

Very well said. I applaud all the devlopers who work on open source software.

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On Sunday 04 August 2002 04:38, Bob Lockie wrote: > >My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I would > >never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the php > >source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through a > >license. People who choose to violate that license are the same people > >who will hack your encoded scripts anyway. And this way the honest > >customers will have the benefit of the code to customize, learn from, > >build on top of. Closed source stuff stifles innovation and I personally > >refuse to work on a PHP encoder for this reason. Imagine if I had never > >released the source for PHP? We would not be having this discussion > >today. > > Very well said. > I applaud all the devlopers who work on open source software.

Isn't it a touch ironic (or hypocritical) when people want a open source product to produce a closed source product? It's almost as bad as MS 'embracing' an open source product into their closed source rubbish.

-- Jason Wong -> Gremlins Associates -> www.gremlins.com.hk

/* God requireth not a uniformity of religion. - Roger Williams */

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Scott wrote: > You're kidding, right? When was the last time you saw one the creator of > ASP on a mailing list personally answering code questions?

Call me a cynic but to maintain your status as php god you have to contribute to the list so you can sign a book deal.

Scott wrote: > For what it's worth, I just left a 50,000 employee company that would not > let me use PHP in production until I showed them the Zend suite of > products. When I asked for the money to buy their IDE and it arrived I > was allowed to move my PHP code to production.

So zend charges a huge amount of money so that your boss can feel good about making the right decision. That's great but how's that working? Is php becoming a contender? Like I said before do a search for php developers, you won't find any demand for it. Jsp is newer then php and they have a lot more jobs available so something isn't working.

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So, go write JSP for someone then and stop bugging us.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Acer" <internetraceryifan.net> To: "Scott" <scottscottah.com> Cc: <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

> Scott wrote: > > You're kidding, right? When was the last time you saw one the creator of > > ASP on a mailing list personally answering code questions? > > Call me a cynic but to maintain your status as php god you have to > contribute to the list so you can sign a book deal. > > Scott wrote: > > For what it's worth, I just left a 50,000 employee company that would not > > let me use PHP in production until I showed them the Zend suite of > > products. When I asked for the money to buy their IDE and it arrived I > > was allowed to move my PHP code to production. > > So zend charges a huge amount of money so that your boss can feel good about > making the right decision. That's great but how's that working? Is php > becoming a contender? Like I said before do a search for php developers, > you won't find any demand for it. Jsp is newer then php and they have a lot > more jobs available so something isn't working.

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Okay great let me change my opinion to php is being built by 600 people who do a lot of infighting. I feel much better.

-----Original Message----- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] Sent: August 3, 2002 1:50 PM To: Acer Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

-Rasmus

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Okay so you support zend but hate encoders. Doesn't zend make an encoder? To me an encoder is used to sell your product. It doesn't mean people still won't release their code to add to the public knowledge.

If you didn't release your code rasmus then those 600 people won't have made php what it is now so you can't have it both ways.

-----Original Message----- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] Sent: August 3, 2002 2:06 PM To: Acer Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. Others in the group either have more sense or have given up on answering php-general questions.

I know plenty of people disagree with this view, but there you have it.

-Rasmus

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote:

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Sorry for bothering you, I didn't think I would hit a nerve.

-----Original Message----- From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] Sent: August 3, 2002 5:59 PM Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

So, go write JSP for someone then and stop bugging us.

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> Call me a cynic but to maintain your status as php god you have to > contribute to the list so you can sign a book deal.

Cynic? Rather paranoid

> Scott wrote: > > For what it's worth, I just left a 50,000 employee company that would > not > > let me use PHP in production until I showed them the Zend suite of > > products. When I asked for the money to buy their IDE and it arrived I > > was allowed to move my PHP code to production. > > So zend charges a huge amount of money so that your boss can feel good > about > making the right decision.

It happens everywhere, and not only for PHP but for all Open Source. Very often this behavior is seem when desiding the Linux platforms over MS. And, that is what pulls decision makers choosing ASP and JSP - they are products, not projects.

> That's great but how's that working? Is php > becoming a contender? Like I said before do a search for php developers, > you won't find any demand for it. Jsp is newer then php and they have a > lot > more jobs available so something isn't working. >

Things ARE working, there is just a lot of conservatism within e-business.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

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Acer, what the f****k are you mumbling about?

(sorry for mine to you introduction)

600 people at PHP Dev Group (and I am one of them too) create and document PHP Programming Language for free, because they like it this way.

You, get your boss's money, buy a Zend's encoder, make a script that, perhaps, has an equivalent freely available on sourseforge.net, encode it and stick a it price to then sell the "cat in a lot" to those paranoids who do not trust open source projects like your own boss does.

The "paranoids" then make services we all here pay, and on our spare time - we keep developing the free code for you (always, because we like it this way).

What are you trying to prove by being devil's lawyer here?

We all know how e-business works, most of us are actually on managing positions if not job consultants.

So, Acer, from now on - ask a php-general question or answer one. Deal?

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:01 AM > To: Rasmus Lerdorf > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > Okay so you support zend but hate encoders. Doesn't zend make an encoder? > To me an encoder is used to sell your product. It doesn't mean people > still > won't release their code to add to the public knowledge. > > If you didn't release your code rasmus then those 600 people won't have > made > php what it is now so you can't have it both ways. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] > Sent: August 3, 2002 2:06 PM > To: Acer > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. Others > in the group either have more sense or have given up on answering > php-general questions. > > My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I would > never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the php > source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through a > license. People who choose to violate that license are the same people > who will hack your encoded scripts anyway. And this way the honest > customers will have the benefit of the code to customize, learn from, > build on top of. Closed source stuff stifles innovation and I personally > refuse to work on a PHP encoder for this reason. Imagine if I had never > released the source for PHP? We would not be having this discussion > today. > > I know plenty of people disagree with this view, but there you have it. > > -Rasmus > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote: > > > I made that statement because this subject has been brought up several > times > > and nothing has been said from the php gods. I mean out of this whole > > thread, your only comment is "That's probably the most uninformed > statement > > I have seen posted to this list in a very long time." > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] > > Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM > > To: Acer > > Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > > You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a > tight > > > click so it's business as usual. > > > > That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this > > list in a very long time. > > > > -Rasmus > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos (mlemosacm.org) wrote:

>> The people for Zend have to eat to live. > > And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD $3,000 > to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable for > most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source?

How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just remember, Zend gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you wish.

My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes along, it'll be my recommendation without hesitation.

Justin French

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Okay fine whatever. Let's just continue sticking our heads in the sand and pretend php developers isn't last on the list of jobs available compared to asp, jsp and cf developers.

That topic isn't important so back to normal and I'll ask a php question. What's the difference between = and ==? I'm too lazy to read the manual.

-----Original Message----- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:subscriptionsphpbeginner.com] Sent: August 3, 2002 7:42 PM To: 'Acer'; 'Rasmus Lerdorf' Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

Acer, what the f****k are you mumbling about?

(sorry for mine to you introduction)

600 people at PHP Dev Group (and I am one of them too) create and document PHP Programming Language for free, because they like it this way.

The "paranoids" then make services we all here pay, and on our spare time - we keep developing the free code for you (always, because we like it this way).

What are you trying to prove by being devil's lawyer here?

We all know how e-business works, most of us are actually on managing positions if not job consultants.

So, Acer, from now on - ask a php-general question or answer one. Deal?

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

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on 04/08/02 3:30 AM, Acer (internetraceryifan.net) wrote:

Zend is a commercial company, and has a right to charge for a product. My guess is that the developers of the Zend engine (PHP) would also make the best developers of any other product (like an accelerator or encoder) that is associated with PHP.

If someone is charging so little for the product (it is Beta, so I wouldn't use it anyway), then there is a good *chance* that it's a far less superior product.

Let me ask you Acer, how much money do you make a week from developing PHP web applications with the free PHP scripting language? The $2000 doesn't seem like much in comparison, does it.

Justin French

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'==' is not an associative operator.

Read on: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.php

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:38 AM > To: Maxim Maletsky; 'Rasmus Lerdorf' > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > Okay fine whatever. Let's just continue sticking our heads in the sand > and > pretend php developers isn't last on the list of jobs available compared > to > asp, jsp and cf developers. > > That topic isn't important so back to normal and I'll ask a php question. > What's the difference between = and ==? I'm too lazy to read the manual. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:subscriptionsphpbeginner.com] > Sent: August 3, 2002 7:42 PM > To: 'Acer'; 'Rasmus Lerdorf' > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > Acer, what the f****k are you mumbling about? > > (sorry for mine to you introduction) > > 600 people at PHP Dev Group (and I am one of them too) create and > document PHP Programming Language for free, because they like it this > way. > > You, get your boss's money, buy a Zend's encoder, make a script that, > perhaps, has an equivalent freely available on sourseforge.net, encode > it and stick a it price to then sell the "cat in a lot" to those > paranoids who do not trust open source projects like your own boss does. > > The "paranoids" then make services we all here pay, and on our spare > time - we keep developing the free code for you (always, because we like > it this way). > > What are you trying to prove by being devil's lawyer here? > > We all know how e-business works, most of us are actually on managing > positions if not job consultants. > > So, Acer, from now on - ask a php-general question or answer one. Deal? > > > Sincerely, > > Maxim Maletsky > > PHP Beginner > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:01 AM > > To: Rasmus Lerdorf > > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > Okay so you support zend but hate encoders. Doesn't zend make an > encoder? > > To me an encoder is used to sell your product. It doesn't mean people > > still > > won't release their code to add to the public knowledge. > > > > If you didn't release your code rasmus then those 600 people won't > have > > made > > php what it is now so you can't have it both ways. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] > > Sent: August 3, 2002 2:06 PM > > To: Acer > > Cc: php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. > Others > > in the group either have more sense or have given up on answering > > php-general questions. > > > > My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I > would > > never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the > php > > source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through > a > > license. People who choose to violate that license are the same > people > > who will hack your encoded scripts anyway. And this way the honest > > customers will have the benefit of the code to customize, learn from, > > build on top of. Closed source stuff stifles innovation and I > personally > > refuse to work on a PHP encoder for this reason. Imagine if I had > never > > released the source for PHP? We would not be having this discussion > > today. > > > > I know plenty of people disagree with this view, but there you have > it. > > > > -Rasmus > > > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote: > > > > > I made that statement because this subject has been brought up > several > > times > > > and nothing has been said from the php gods. I mean out of this > whole > > > thread, your only comment is "That's probably the most uninformed > > statement > > > I have seen posted to this list in a very long time." > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmusphp.net] > > > Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM > > > To: Acer > > > Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > > > > > You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are > a > > tight > > > > click so it's business as usual. > > > > > > That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to > this > > > list in a very long time. > > > > > > -Rasmus > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >

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on 04/08/02 8:01 AM, Acer (internetraceryifan.net) wrote:

> Sorry for bothering you, I didn't think I would hit a nerve.

Didn't think you'd hit a nerve?

You're complaining profusely about the price charged for a commercial product, and bagging the crap out of the developers, contributors and people who made PHP what it is.

Commercial products are a case of supply and demand.

Zend are offering a certain suite of products for a certain price. If you wish to obtain that product, you pay that price. If you don't feel the product is worth the asking price, search for an alternative.

If you can find an alternative product which suits your needs (like a free/cheaper encoder, a different language like JSP or ASP, or whatever), then by all means go and buy that one instead, and leave this list in peace.

I found a suit the other day which was a perfect fit, and looked great. problem was it was $1000. So rather than complaining to the sales assistant, I looked around and found a similar suit for about half the price, and settled on that, even though there are some quality differences.

Justin French

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1. You complain about Zend charging for a product when someone else has created an equivalent open source product. 2. You support ColdFusion and ASP when someone else has created an equivalent open source product.

The point is that you need better logic in your arguments before you will receive thoughtful answers. Your "questions" seem more like adolescent attacks, and your arguments have no merit. Thus, the responses you have received are similar to responses you will receive anywhere when your purpose appears to only be to pick a fight. If you ask intelligent questions or make intelligent arguments, people will assume you are an intelligent person and deserving of a thoughtful answer.

As for PHP in the marketplace, I would argue that it is the most popular Web scripting language in the world with ColdFusion and JSP being close contenders and ASP being successful only because of the Microsoft believers (who are switching to PHP and others more because of the poor quality of IIS than the poor quality and non-portability of ASP). I make a very nice living programming in PHP, and most of the job offers I receive are for PHP, even though I have extensive experience in ColdFusion and other Web scripting languages (even ASP).

But, you know what? No one cares. The people who contribute to PHP do so because they enjoy it. People like Rasmus enjoy it so much that they put up with adolescent crap on this list from time to time and even provide undeserving responses to useless drivel. You're not going to alter anyone's idea of PHP with baseless attacks. It's the same approach as politicians who try to attack their opponents; you just end up looking like a fool, and no one believes you anyway.

People who like it will use it. People who don't won't.

Now can we end the spam?

Chris

Acer wrote:

>Okay fine whatever. Let's just continue sticking our heads in the sand and >pretend php developers isn't last on the list of jobs available compared to >asp, jsp and cf developers. > >That topic isn't important so back to normal and I'll ask a php question. >What's the difference between = and ==? I'm too lazy to read the manual. >

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okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me php. you guys need to get your story right.

-----Original Message----- From: Justin French [mailto:justinindent.com.au] Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM To: mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos (mlemosacm.org) wrote:

How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just remember, Zend gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you wish.

My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes along, it'll be my recommendation without hesitation.

Justin French

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obviously if it's in beta then it's not as mature as zend's encoder. but if you think over time, it will get better and match zend so where does that leave php? zend would have a competing product that costs less so who would pay the several thousands of dollars for zend? zend will fold up shop and bye bye zend.

-----Original Message----- From: Justin French [mailto:justinindent.com.au] Sent: August 3, 2002 9:50 PM To: Acer; Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

on 04/08/02 3:30 AM, Acer (internetraceryifan.net) wrote:

If someone is charging so little for the product (it is Beta, so I wouldn't use it anyway), then there is a good *chance* that it's a far less superior product.

Let me ask you Acer, how much money do you make a week from developing PHP web applications with the free PHP scripting language? The $2000 doesn't seem like much in comparison, does it.

Justin French

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you guys are the ones in denial and can't stand that someone is disagreeing with you.

-----Original Message----- From: Justin French [mailto:justinindent.com.au] Sent: August 3, 2002 10:03 PM To: Acer; Danny Shepherd Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

on 04/08/02 8:01 AM, Acer (internetraceryifan.net) wrote:

> Sorry for bothering you, I didn't think I would hit a nerve.

Didn't think you'd hit a nerve?

You're complaining profusely about the price charged for a commercial product, and bagging the crap out of the developers, contributors and people who made PHP what it is.

Commercial products are a case of supply and demand.

Justin French

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Acer,

Give it up. We are tired of you.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM > To: Justin French; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me php. you > guys need to get your story right. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin French [mailto:justinindent.com.au] > Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM > To: mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos (mlemosacm.org) wrote: > > >> The people for Zend have to eat to live. > > > > And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD $3,000 > > to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable for > > most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source? > > How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just remember, > Zend > gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you wish. > > My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes along, it'll > be > my recommendation without hesitation. > > > Justin French > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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i actually pointed this out awhile ago that there will be a competing product for the encoder and accelerator so i didn't see a point in zend continuing to destroy php's chances.

i am trying to discuss this normally but i guess you forgot that someone told me to bug off or the other guy that told me to f***k off.

i guess you could define popular in different ways but how many people actually know what php is and what are the odds are getting someone to pay you to do php. those are my measures.

-----Original Message----- From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflettphp.net] Sent: August 3, 2002 11:18 PM To: Acer Cc: php-generallists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

People who like it will use it. People who don't won't.

Now can we end the spam?

Chris

Acer wrote:

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if you can't debate the issues then get out.

-----Original Message----- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maximphp.net] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

Acer,

Give it up. We are tired of you.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

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Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC.

You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list.

Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell them what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP.

This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is not our problem.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:57 AM > To: maximphp.net; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php- > generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > if you can't debate the issues then get out. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maximphp.net] > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM > To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > Acer, > > Give it up. We are tired of you. > > > Sincerely, > > Maxim Maletsky > > PHP Beginner > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM > > To: Justin French; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me php. > you > > guys need to get your story right. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Justin French [mailto:justinindent.com.au] > > Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM > > To: mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos (mlemosacm.org) wrote: > > > > >> The people for Zend have to eat to live. > > > > > > And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD > $3,000 > > > to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable > for > > > most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source? > > > > How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just remember, > > Zend > > gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you wish. > > > > My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes along, > it'll > > be > > my recommendation without hesitation. > > > > > > Justin French > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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i did drop it and then a whole bunch of you late comers piled in again so why don't you give it up.

BTW did i mention the core php group are a click? i'm sure all of them are busily emailing each other saying "oh what a jerk, we are doing a great job, don't listen to that guy, you guys are the best! keep up the good work!"

-----Original Message----- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maximphp.net] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC.

You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list.

Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell them what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP.

This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is not our problem.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

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I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about this idiotic spamming subject.

It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open source.

Now, to cut the crap here, which OS do you use at work or even worse, at home? Have you ever bought a computer that comes with any version of MS Windows preinstalled? If you think that buying any kind commercial product while having the chance to get the same benefits from an open source piece is the right way to go, then do it. If not, just unsubscribe yourself from Zend's newsletter and don't ever visit their home site. By the way, how much did you pay for the last MS Windows you bought? Or do you use copies? Uhmmm... that's not nice.

I have more than 10.000 e-mails stored in my PHP-General folder which are all (or most of them) dedicated to help solving PHP issues for us newcomers (by the way, thanks to all). Ok, so maybe some of them are about other things such MySQL or HTML, but hey... it's not easy for everybody to find the right place to ask for help.

So, to keep it short, please stop messing with other people's ideas about how the silicon world should work and start making your own ones. You sound like a very smart person. It's really a shame that not a single person from this list will ever give you a job but hey... that was your own decision.

Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM > To: maximphp.net; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php- > generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > i did drop it and then a whole bunch of you late comers piled in again so > why don't you give it up. > > BTW did i mention the core php group are a click? i'm sure all of them > are > busily emailing each other saying "oh what a jerk, we are doing a great > job, > don't listen to that guy, you guys are the best! keep up the good work!" > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maximphp.net] > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM > To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC. > > You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree > with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list. > > Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell them > what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP. > > This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is not > our problem. > > > Sincerely, > > Maxim Maletsky > > PHP Beginner > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:57 AM > > To: maximphp.net; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php- > > generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > if you can't debate the issues then get out. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maximphp.net] > > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM > > To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > Acer, > > > > Give it up. We are tired of you. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Maxim Maletsky > > > > PHP Beginner > > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM > > > To: Justin French; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me > php. > > you > > > guys need to get your story right. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Justin French [mailto:justinindent.com.au] > > > Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM > > > To: mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > > > > on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos (mlemosacm.org) wrote: > > > > > > >> The people for Zend have to eat to live. > > > > > > > > And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD > > $3,000 > > > > to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not > viable > > for > > > > most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source? > > > > > > How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just > remember, > > > Zend > > > gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you > wish. > > > > > > My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes along, > > it'll > > > be > > > my recommendation without hesitation. > > > > > > > > > Justin French > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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the truth hurts sometimes.

this was dropped a long time ago but you people keep bringing it up and giving your 2 cents. thanks cesar, you can read my mind.

-----Original Message----- From: César Aracena [mailto:icaamicaam.com.ar] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:59 AM To: php-generallists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding

I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about this idiotic spamming subject.

It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open source.

Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul.

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It hurts no one. Believe me.

Do what. Download PHP package and put it on sale. We'll let you do that by our license. Actually, yeah, here I go - YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.

600 people worked hard on PHP for over several years and thousands of servers do us the real-life test.

Just sell it. Will we get hurt? Ufff.... whata pain ....

Maxim Maletsky

> -----Original Message----- > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:06 AM > To: César Aracena; php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > the truth hurts sometimes. > > this was dropped a long time ago but you people keep bringing it up and > giving your 2 cents. thanks cesar, you can read my mind. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: César Aracena [mailto:icaamicaam.com.ar] > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:59 AM > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working > with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about > this idiotic spamming subject. > > It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you > could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open > source. > > Now, to cut the crap here, which OS do you use at work or even worse, at > home? Have you ever bought a computer that comes with any version of MS > Windows preinstalled? If you think that buying any kind commercial > product while having the chance to get the same benefits from an open > source piece is the right way to go, then do it. If not, just > unsubscribe yourself from Zend's newsletter and don't ever visit their > home site. By the way, how much did you pay for the last MS Windows you > bought? Or do you use copies? Uhmmm... that's not nice. > > I have more than 10.000 e-mails stored in my PHP-General folder which > are all (or most of them) dedicated to help solving PHP issues for us > newcomers (by the way, thanks to all). Ok, so maybe some of them are > about other things such MySQL or HTML, but hey... it's not easy for > everybody to find the right place to ask for help. > > So, to keep it short, please stop messing with other people's ideas > about how the silicon world should work and start making your own ones. > You sound like a very smart person. It's really a shame that not a > single person from this list will ever give you a job but hey... that > was your own decision. > > Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM > > To: maximphp.net; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php- > > generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > i did drop it and then a whole bunch of you late comers piled in again > so > > why don't you give it up. > > > > BTW did i mention the core php group are a click? i'm sure all of > them > > are > > busily emailing each other saying "oh what a jerk, we are doing a > great > > job, > > don't listen to that guy, you guys are the best! keep up the good > work!" > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maximphp.net] > > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM > > To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC. > > > > You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree > > with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list. > > > > Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell them > > what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP. > > > > This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is > not > > our problem. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Maxim Maletsky > > > > PHP Beginner > > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:57 AM > > > To: maximphp.net; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; php- > > > generallists.php.net > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > if you can't debate the issues then get out. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maximphp.net] > > > Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM > > > To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; mlemosacm.org; > php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > > > > Acer, > > > > > > Give it up. We are tired of you. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Maxim Maletsky > > > > > > PHP Beginner > > > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Acer [mailto:internetraceryifan.net] > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM > > > > To: Justin French; mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > > > okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me > > php. > > > you > > > > guys need to get your story right. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Justin French [mailto:justinindent.com.au] > > > > Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM > > > > To: mlemosacm.org; php-generallists.php.net > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > > > > > > > on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos (mlemosacm.org) wrote: > > > > > > > > >> The people for Zend have to eat to live. > > > > > > > > > > And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay > USD > > > $3,000 > > > > > to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not > > viable > > > for > > > > > most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source? > > > > > > > > How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just > > remember, > > > > Zend > > > > gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you > > wish. > > > > > > > > My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes > along, > > > it'll > > > > be > > > > my recommendation without hesitation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Justin French > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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Danny,

It still doesn't work, could this be a problem in 4.0.4pl1 ??

> -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] > Sent: 03 August 2002 18:11 > To: philn-igma.net; PHP-General > Subject: Re: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > If you're trying to get <script>Lots of javascript</script> to look like > <font color="maroon">Lots of javascript</font> then this will be a start > > $string = eregi_replace('<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>', '<\\1font > color="maroon">',$string); > > This will produce - <font color="maroon">Lots of javascript</font > color="maroon"> - not perfect, but a start. > > Danny. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> > To: "Danny Shepherd" <dannykyboshed.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:52 PM > Subject: RE: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > \\1 outputs nothing at all wrapped in font tags and closing > tags \ wrapped > > in font tags :o( > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] > > > Sent: 03 August 2002 17:47 > > > To: philn-igma.net; PHP General > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > \\1 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> > > > To: "PHP General" <php-generallists.php.net> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:03 PM > > > Subject: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am am writing a function to color code and indent > JavaScript source > > > using > > > > regular expressions and cannot seem to get back referencing working. > The > > > > pattern match is successful but the output is a single unrecognised > > > > character (a square). > > > > > > > > $string = eregi_replace("<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>", "«font > > > color=maroon»\1«/font»", > > > > $string); > > > > > > > > This results in opening and closing <script></script> tags > > > being replaced > > > > with a square being wrapped in font tags. I have this > working in Cold > > > Fusion > > > > but cannot seem to convert my scripts to PHP. Can anyone help? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Phil Ewington. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > >

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What does the input string contain?

What does the output look like?

It might be a problem with php4.0.4 (I'm using 4.2.2) - why such an old version?

Danny.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> To: "PHP General" <php-generallists.php.net> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing)

> Danny, > > It still doesn't work, could this be a problem in 4.0.4pl1 ?? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] > > Sent: 03 August 2002 18:11 > > To: philn-igma.net; PHP-General > > Subject: Re: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > If you're trying to get <script>Lots of javascript</script> to look like > > <font color="maroon">Lots of javascript</font> then this will be a start > > > > $string = eregi_replace('<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>', '<\\1font > > color="maroon">',$string); > > > > This will produce - <font color="maroon">Lots of javascript</font > > color="maroon"> - not perfect, but a start. > > > > Danny. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> > > To: "Danny Shepherd" <dannykyboshed.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:52 PM > > Subject: RE: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > \\1 outputs nothing at all wrapped in font tags and closing > > tags \ wrapped > > > in font tags :o( > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] > > > > Sent: 03 August 2002 17:47 > > > > To: philn-igma.net; PHP General > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > \\1 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> > > > > To: "PHP General" <php-generallists.php.net> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:03 PM > > > > Subject: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am am writing a function to color code and indent > > JavaScript source > > > > using > > > > > regular expressions and cannot seem to get back referencing working. > > The > > > > > pattern match is successful but the output is a single unrecognised > > > > > character (a square). > > > > > > > > > > $string = eregi_replace("<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>", "«font > > > > color=maroon»\1«/font»", > > > > > $string); > > > > > > > > > > This results in opening and closing <script></script> tags > > > > being replaced > > > > > with a square being wrapped in font tags. I have this > > working in Cold > > > > Fusion > > > > > but cannot seem to convert my scripts to PHP. Can anyone help? > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > Phil Ewington. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >

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Ok, a very slightly modified version of your first attempt should work then

$fcontent = eregi_replace("<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>", "«font color=maroon»\\0«/font»", $fcontent);

Note the \\0 instead of \\1

HTH

Danny.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> To: "Danny Shepherd" <dannykyboshed.com> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing)

> Danny, > > OK, the input string is the contents of a file, the idea is to output color > coded and indented code in HTML. So searching for <script> and replace with > <font color=maroon><script></font>, so the <script> tag shows on a page. I > am slowly converting a ColdFusion script which currently color codes CFML, > HTML, JS & PHP code. > > // get file and pass into string > $filename = "/path_to_file/newsfeed.js"; > $fcontent = implode("", file($filename)); > > // convert new lines, tabs and multiple spaces > $fcontent = eregi_replace(chr(10), "«br»", $fcontent); > $fcontent = eregi_replace(chr(9), "    ", $fcontent); > $fcontent = eregi_replace(" {2,2}", "  ", $fcontent); > > // color code script > $fcontent = eregi_replace("<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>", "«font > color=maroon»\\1«/font»", $fcontent); > > // allow html tags in strings to print > $fcontent = eregi_replace("[^('|\")]<br>[^('|\")]", "«br»", $fcontent); > > // allow script tags to display > $fcontent = eregi_replace("<", "<", $fcontent); > $fcontent = eregi_replace(">", ">", $fcontent); > $fcontent = eregi_replace("«", "<", $fcontent); > $fcontent = eregi_replace("»", ">", $fcontent); > > > // get filename from path > $filename = explode("/", $filename); > $filename = $filename[count($filename) - 1]; > > // print formatted content > print "\n > <div> > <div style=\"font-family:verdana; font-size:x-small; color:#FFFFFF; > background-color:#000000; padding:5px;\">$filename</div> > <div style=\"font-family:courier new, mono; font-size:x-small; > background-color:#EEEEEE; padding:10px; border:1px #000000 > solid;\">$fcontent</div> > </div>"; > > ?> > > The output looks as follows (so far)... > http://www.n-igma.net/regex.php > > Got the indenting sorted, now needs to be color coded. > > I am using an old version as I know very little about *nix and compiling the > binaries for PHP on a RAQ3 was a headache, well for a Windows user any way > ;o) I have not wanted to upgrade yet as I have a number of sites running on > the box and haven't had the balls to in case I screw it up again! > > > Phil. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] > > Sent: 03 August 2002 18:26 > > To: philn-igma.net; PHP General > > Subject: Re: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > What does the input string contain? > > > > What does the output look like? > > > > It might be a problem with php4.0.4 (I'm using 4.2.2) - why such an old > > version? > > > > Danny. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> > > To: "PHP General" <php-generallists.php.net> > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:23 PM > > Subject: RE: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > Danny, > > > > > > It still doesn't work, could this be a problem in 4.0.4pl1 ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] > > > > Sent: 03 August 2002 18:11 > > > > To: philn-igma.net; PHP-General > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're trying to get <script>Lots of javascript</script> > > to look like > > > > <font color="maroon">Lots of javascript</font> then this will > > be a start > > > > > > > > $string = eregi_replace('<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>', '<\\1font > > > > color="maroon">',$string); > > > > > > > > This will produce - <font color="maroon">Lots of javascript</font > > > > color="maroon"> - not perfect, but a start. > > > > > > > > Danny. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> > > > > To: "Danny Shepherd" <dannykyboshed.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:52 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > > > > > \\1 outputs nothing at all wrapped in font tags and closing > > > > tags \ wrapped > > > > > in font tags :o( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:dannykyboshed.com] > > > > > > Sent: 03 August 2002 17:47 > > > > > > To: philn-igma.net; PHP General > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > \\1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Phil Ewington" <philn-igma.net> > > > > > > To: "PHP General" <php-generallists.php.net> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:03 PM > > > > > > Subject: [PHP] RegEx (back referencing) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am am writing a function to color code and indent > > > > JavaScript source > > > > > > using > > > > > > > regular expressions and cannot seem to get back referencing > > working. > > > > The > > > > > > > pattern match is successful but the output is a single > > unrecognised > > > > > > > character (a square). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $string = eregi_replace("<(/?)(scr[^>]*)>", "«font > > > > > > color=maroon»\1«/font»", > > > > > > > $string); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This results in opening and closing <script></script> tags > > > > > > being replaced > > > > > > > with a square being wrapped in font tags. I have this > > > > working in Cold > > > > > > Fusion > > > > > > > but cannot seem to convert my scripts to PHP. Can anyone help? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil Ewington. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > >

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Can someone point me to some articles on PHP encoding? It would seem to me that making an interpreted language impossible to read an impossible task. Hard to read would be possible.

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Hello!

It´s driving me nuts, am in the middle of reading Mastering Regular Expressions (O'Reilly), and because i like to learn whilst doing, well, you can picture the rest.

Anybody please tell me why the following is not working

$test = "Hello, end why is not workin, END.";

//before echo $test . "<br>";

//Finds beginning of a line, followed by e or E, and replaces it with A. At least it should do it, but it doesn't ? $tes = preg_replace("/^[eE]/", "A", $test);

//after echo $tes;

Now i know damn well that this is a real simple example, and thus failing here already makes me feel quite frustrated.

Any help or explanations as to what is wrong in the above example along with a little explanation would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks a lot in advance for your time reading.

Best regards from Vienna, Jürgen

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On Sunday 04 August 2002 01:44, Jürgen wrote:

> Anybody please tell me why the following is not working > > $test = "Hello, end why is not workin, END."; > > //before > echo $test . "<br>"; > > //Finds beginning of a line, followed by e or E, and replaces it with A. At > least it should do it, but it doesn't ? > $tes = preg_replace("/^[eE]/", "A", $test);

This should work. However if you're using $test as defined above it does not start with 'e' or 'E' so what output did you expect??

-- Jason Wong -> Gremlins Associates -> www.gremlins.com.hk Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design & Hosting * Internet & Intranet Applications Development *

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Well, i know it should work, but it does not work. Even if i Change the first letter into e or E it does not work.

This is so frustrating, this is prolly the most easiest regular expression i could start with and yet i fail and nobody seems to know why it aint working neither....

> This should work. However if you're using $test as defined above it does not > start with 'e' or 'E' so what output did you expect?? > > > -- > Jason Wong -> Gremlins Associates -> www.gremlins.com.hk

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On Sunday 04 August 2002 03:47, Jürgen wrote: > Well, i know it should work, but it does not work. > Even if i Change the first letter into e or E it does not work. > > This is so frustrating, this is prolly the most easiest regular expression > i could start with and yet i fail and nobody seems to know why it aint > working neither.... > > > This should work. However if you're using $test as defined above it does > > not > > > start with 'e' or 'E' so what output did you expect??

So you're saying this:

echo preg_replace("/^[eE]/", "A", "Eek!");

Does not result in "Aek!" ?

-- Jason Wong -> Gremlins Associates -> www.gremlins.com.hk Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design & Hosting * Internet & Intranet Applications Development *

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No im not saying that, im merely saying that in my given example even if i turn the Hello into Ello it does not replace it, besides :

******************************************** ^ = assert start of subject (or line, in multiline mode) * ********************************************

I took this directly from the PHP manual, so i assumed that the default mode would be the first one, however, i tried the following and it looks like it was the latter after all

$test = "ello, end this is now the End.";

$test = preg_replace('# *^e#i', 'A', $test);

Will result into : Allo, end this is now the End.

So, i guess you were right after all :)

Thanks for sticking with me though!

Best regards from Vienna, Jürgen

> So you're saying this: > > echo preg_replace("/^[eE]/", "A", "Eek!"); > > Does not result in "Aek!" ? > > -- > Jason Wong

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I have PHP4 on both a windows IIS server and a windows apache server. The include function only works in the same directory of the file I wish to access.

ex. www.include.com/default.php all files in same directory (i guess the root)? <?php include 'test.inc' ?>

everything works fine. Here's where I have the problem.

Now I want to store all my includes in one directory www.include.com/inc

<?php include 'inc/test.inc' ?> that doesn't work>>> Warning: Failed opening 'test.inc' for inclusion (include_path='')

Can anyone help me with this???

Thanks scott

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try using the absolute path to the file e.g. include("C:/windows/webserver/httproot/inc/test.inc");

"Scott" <scottspectorsweb.com> wrote in message news:20020803191330.60503.qmailpb1.pair.com... > I have PHP4 on both a windows IIS server and a windows apache server. The > include function only works in the same directory of the file I wish to > access. > > ex. www.include.com/default.php > all files in same directory (i guess the root)? > <?php > include 'test.inc' > ?> > > everything works fine. Here's where I have the problem. > > Now I want to store all my includes in one directory www.include.com/inc > > <?php > include 'inc/test.inc' > ?> > that doesn't work>>> > Warning: Failed opening 'test.inc' for inclusion (include_path='') > > Can anyone help me with this??? > > Thanks > scott > > >

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include 'inc/test.inc' will work fine if you add your root directory to your include_path (in the c:\winnt\php.ini file).

Daniel Kushner danielwebsapp.com

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott [mailto:scottspectorsweb.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:11 PM > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: [PHP] Include problems > > > I have PHP4 on both a windows IIS server and a windows apache server. The > include function only works in the same directory of the file I wish to > access. > > ex. www.include.com/default.php > all files in same directory (i guess the root)? > <?php > include 'test.inc' > ?> > > everything works fine. Here's where I have the problem. > > Now I want to store all my includes in one directory www.include.com/inc > > <?php > include 'inc/test.inc' > ?> > that doesn't work>>> > Warning: Failed opening 'test.inc' for inclusion (include_path='') > > Can anyone help me with this??? > > Thanks > scott > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >

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Does this mean i have to do this to each site???

"Daniel Kushner" <phpwebsapp.com> wrote in message news:KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJEEFNFNAA.phpwebsapp.com... > include 'inc/test.inc' will work fine if you add your root directory to your > include_path (in the c:\winnt\php.ini file). > > > Daniel Kushner > danielwebsapp.com > > Need hosting? http://www.TheHostingCompany.us/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott [mailto:scottspectorsweb.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:11 PM > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: [PHP] Include problems > > > > > > I have PHP4 on both a windows IIS server and a windows apache server. The > > include function only works in the same directory of the file I wish to > > access. > > > > ex. www.include.com/default.php > > all files in same directory (i guess the root)? > > <?php > > include 'test.inc' > > ?> > > > > everything works fine. Here's where I have the problem. > > > > Now I want to store all my includes in one directory www.include.com/inc > > > > <?php > > include 'inc/test.inc' > > ?> > > that doesn't work>>> > > Warning: Failed opening 'test.inc' for inclusion (include_path='') > > > > Can anyone help me with this??? > > > > Thanks > > scott > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > >

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does the "require" has something to be with "include" ? Cause instead of using "include" im always usin "require"

Thanks, Flavio Bastos Amiel

"Scott" <scottspectorsweb.com> wrote in message news:20020803205305.33042.qmailpb1.pair.com... > Does this mean i have to do this to each site??? > > > > > > "Daniel Kushner" <phpwebsapp.com> wrote in message > news:KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJEEFNFNAA.phpwebsapp.com... > > include 'inc/test.inc' will work fine if you add your root directory to > your > > include_path (in the c:\winnt\php.ini file). > > > > > > Daniel Kushner > > danielwebsapp.com > > > > Need hosting? http://www.TheHostingCompany.us/ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scott [mailto:scottspectorsweb.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:11 PM > > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: [PHP] Include problems > > > > > > > > > I have PHP4 on both a windows IIS server and a windows apache server. > The > > > include function only works in the same directory of the file I wish to > > > access. > > > > > > ex. www.include.com/default.php > > > all files in same directory (i guess the root)? > > > <?php > > > include 'test.inc' > > > ?> > > > > > > everything works fine. Here's where I have the problem. > > > > > > Now I want to store all my includes in one directory > www.include.com/inc > > > > > > <?php > > > include 'inc/test.inc' > > > ?> > > > that doesn't work>>> > > > Warning: Failed opening 'test.inc' for inclusion (include_path='') > > > > > > Can anyone help me with this??? > > > > > > Thanks > > > scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > >

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Include and require are identical, except for their failure behavior - require() halts permanently ending execution of the script.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::> [mailto:flavinhocantv.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:53 AM > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Include problems > > does the "require" has something to be with "include" ? > Cause instead of using "include" im always usin "require" > > > Thanks, > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > "Scott" <scottspectorsweb.com> wrote in message > news:20020803205305.33042.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > Does this mean i have to do this to each site??? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Daniel Kushner" <phpwebsapp.com> wrote in message > > news:KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJEEFNFNAA.phpwebsapp.com... > > > include 'inc/test.inc' will work fine if you add your root directory > to > > your > > > include_path (in the c:\winnt\php.ini file). > > > > > > > > > Daniel Kushner > > > danielwebsapp.com > > > > > > Need hosting? http://www.TheHostingCompany.us/ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Scott [mailto:scottspectorsweb.com] > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:11 PM > > > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > > > Subject: [PHP] Include problems > > > > > > > > > > > > I have PHP4 on both a windows IIS server and a windows apache server. > > The > > > > include function only works in the same directory of the file I wish > to > > > > access. > > > > > > > > ex. www.include.com/default.php > > > > all files in same directory (i guess the root)? > > > > <?php > > > > include 'test.inc' > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > everything works fine. Here's where I have the problem. > > > > > > > > Now I want to store all my includes in one directory > > www.include.com/inc > > > > > > > > <?php > > > > include 'inc/test.inc' > > > > ?> > > > > that doesn't work>>> > > > > Warning: Failed opening 'test.inc' for inclusion (include_path='') > > > > > > > > Can anyone help me with this??? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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Thanks Maxim, it is good to know! :)

Flavio Bastos Amiel "Maxim Maletsky" <subscriptionsphpbeginner.com> wrote in message news:000401c23b48$55266960$1113fe17dominanta... > Include and require are identical, except for their failure behavior - > require() halts permanently ending execution of the script. > > > Sincerely, > > Maxim Maletsky > > PHP Beginner > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::> [mailto:flavinhocantv.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:53 AM > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Include problems > > > > does the "require" has something to be with "include" ? > > Cause instead of using "include" im always usin "require" > > > > > > Thanks, > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > > "Scott" <scottspectorsweb.com> wrote in message > > news:20020803205305.33042.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > > Does this mean i have to do this to each site??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Daniel Kushner" <phpwebsapp.com> wrote in message > > > news:KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJEEFNFNAA.phpwebsapp.com... > > > > include 'inc/test.inc' will work fine if you add your root > directory > > to > > > your > > > > include_path (in the c:\winnt\php.ini file). > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel Kushner > > > > danielwebsapp.com > > > > > > > > Need hosting? http://www.TheHostingCompany.us/ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Scott [mailto:scottspectorsweb.com] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 3:11 PM > > > > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > > > > Subject: [PHP] Include problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have PHP4 on both a windows IIS server and a windows apache > server. > > > The > > > > > include function only works in the same directory of the file I > wish > > to > > > > > access. > > > > > > > > > > ex. www.include.com/default.php > > > > > all files in same directory (i guess the root)? > > > > > <?php > > > > > include 'test.inc' > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > > > everything works fine. Here's where I have the problem. > > > > > > > > > > Now I want to store all my includes in one directory > > > www.include.com/inc > > > > > > > > > > <?php > > > > > include 'inc/test.inc' > > > > > ?> > > > > > that doesn't work>>> > > > > > Warning: Failed opening 'test.inc' for inclusion > (include_path='') > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone help me with this??? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >

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I finally got php 4.2.2 installed with Apache 2.0.39 on RedHat 7.2. However when I restart the httpd service, I get the following error:

Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 230 of /www/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /www/modules/libphp4.so into server: /www/modules/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: ts_resource_ex

Can Anyone Help? Nick

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I also received an error regarding libphp4.so when I tried to compile php 4.2.2 with apache 2.0.39 on Mandrake 8.1. Have not resolved it, even after asking several days ago on this site. Nobody responded. Have double checked my ./configure and everything looks good, it is when I execute the "make" command that it bombs out. Has somebody done this successfully? Yes, I've set the configure to enable modules.

Kirk

"Nick Niehoff" wrote > I finally got php 4.2.2 installed with Apache 2.0.39 > on RedHat 7.2. However when I restart the httpd > service, I get the following error: > > Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 230 of > /www/conf/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /www/modules/libphp4.so into server: > /www/modules/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: > ts_resource_ex > > Can Anyone Help? > Nick

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On Sunday 04 August 2002 04:02, Kirk Babb wrote: > I also received an error regarding libphp4.so when I tried to compile php > 4.2.2 with apache 2.0.39 on Mandrake 8.1. Have not resolved it, even after > asking several days ago on this site. Nobody responded. Have double > checked my ./configure and everything looks good, it is when I execute the > "make" command that it bombs out. Has somebody done this successfully? > Yes, I've set the configure to enable modules.

Well the php-install list is probably the best place to ask for help with installation problems.

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Version 2 of Apache does not support PHP yet. Go back to version 1 and ask the list if you still have problems.

>I also received an error regarding libphp4.so when I tried to compile php >4.2.2 with apache 2.0.39 on Mandrake 8.1. Have not resolved it, even after >asking several days ago on this site. Nobody responded. Have double >checked my ./configure and everything looks good, it is when I execute the >"make" command that it bombs out. Has somebody done this successfully? >Yes, I've set the configure to enable modules. > >Kirk > > >"Nick Niehoff" wrote >> I finally got php 4.2.2 installed with Apache 2.0.39 >> on RedHat 7.2. However when I restart the httpd >> service, I get the following error: >> >> Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 230 of >> /www/conf/httpd.conf: >> Cannot load /www/modules/libphp4.so into server: >> /www/modules/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: >> ts_resource_ex >> >> Can Anyone Help? >> Nick > > > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >

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Hi, I need to authenticate users on an included page on my website, but the problem is, I cant get it to work. view it included at http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/ (Source at http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/source/index.txt) the actual file: http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/templates/twoShea/head.php (source at http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/source/head.txt) the location of the script that sets the cookie (I hard-coded the user and password combo for user ramonezrule into it): http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/templates/twoShea/setcookie.php (source at: http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/source/setcookie.txt)

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You might get some help if you post only the code relevant to the problem with a clear explanation of the exact problem. Otherwise, I doubt anyone will bother looking through all that code you posted links to.

> From: tonyh21tharrison21.fsnet.co.uk (Tony Harrison) > Newsgroups: php.general > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:31:54 +0100 > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: User Authentication Problem > > Hi, I need to authenticate users on an included page on my website, but the > problem is, I cant get it to work. > view it included at http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/ (Source at > http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/source/index.txt) > the actual file: > http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/templates/twoShea/head.php (source at > http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/source/head.txt) > the location of the script that sets the cookie (I hard-coded the user and > password combo for user ramonezrule into it): > http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/templates/twoShea/setcookie.php (source > at: http://members.lycos.co.uk/ajohnh/source/setcookie.txt) > > > > >

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Well, I just "upgraded" a number of PHP scripts to function with register_globals turned off, and now better understand what's required to work with variables more securely.

I wanted to share that the extract() command turned out to be a big help. Using it meant I didn't have to put $_POST[' '] around every variable passed by a form. Instead, I put one or both of these lines of code at the beginning of scripts that use forms or receive vars passed via the URL:

extract($_POST); extract($_GET);

extract() creates local variables using the 'key' and 'value' from the $_POST or $_GET arrays. I even discovered it works with multidimensional arrays that may be passed by forms. In that case, if I have an array named "formvar" that collects all data from the form (i.e., $formvar['name'], $formvar['address'], etc.), then I use extract this way:

extract($_POST['formvar']);

This will create local variables named $name and $address that contain the values passed from the form. Here's where you can find more about this function: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.extract.php

One thing to remember is that if you put extract() in a custom function (which I did initially), it won't really work because the variables are created only within the scope of the function, so, as soon as it returns to the script, the vars it created are released.

Monty

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I know that a function name preceded by 2 underscores (__) has 'magical' properties when declared in a class. My question is, is it safe to declare a function with 2 underscores before its name outside of a class? For example, if this is my whole script.

<?PHP function __hello () { echo 'Hello world'; }

__hello; ?>

Is my function safe from having any wierd effects from the double underscore?

Jim Dam jim.damcogeco.ca

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What does this parameter do in PHP.ini, and what would happen if I turned it off? From reading the PHP site, it appears this is only useful if you use PHP from the command line, is that right?

Thanks.

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May i ask for help about a subejct on MySQL here?

thanks, Flavio Bastos Amiel

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ask.

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let's see if i can do it...

i got a news site..... everything was going OK....sometimes i made few testing and then i delete the content from the db... the problem is next:

the item "id" is an auto_increment element .. so the id's wasn't going allright....because they where not true... sometimes they make jumps like id #25 and the id #30 (because of the testing i've done and then delete)

i tried to delete that cell (id) and then i recreate it. thinking the id was going to count it all over and make the item id TRUE.....but it wasn't like that, the "new" id was counting since the last id then if the last id was 100, the new id was counting from 100 to 200 .... do i explain myself?... does anyone have an answer to this problem (PLEASE Dont tell me i have to do i manually!! )

thanks, Flavio Bastos Amiel

"George Nicolae" <geomasterwebhotmail.com> wrote in message news:20020804001037.31489.qmailpb1.pair.com... > ask. > > -- > > > Best regards, > George Nicolae > IT Manager > ___________________ > PaginiWeb.com - Professional Web Design > www.PaginiWeb.com > > > "::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::>" <flavinhocantv.net> wrote in message > news:20020803224811.95593.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > May i ask for help about a subejct on MySQL here? > > > > thanks, > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > >

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Why do you need it anyway?

auto_increment is a mySQL functionality to (listen this carefully) KEEP UNICITY WITHIN A TABLE. This is what they are needed for. I agree - it would look prettier having them even sequential, but that is behind the real point and it is not a "problem".

You should make your application independent from "id" value - "id" should only serve you as a key to relate the data within application/database.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::> [mailto:flavinhocantv.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:28 AM > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: [PHP] Re: May i? > > let's see if i can do it... > > i got a news site..... everything was going OK....sometimes i made few > testing and then i delete the content from the db... the problem is next: > > the item "id" is an auto_increment element .. so the id's wasn't going > allright....because they where not true... sometimes they make jumps like > id > #25 and the id #30 (because of the testing i've done and then delete) > > i tried to delete that cell (id) and then i recreate it. thinking the id > was > going to count it all over and make the item id TRUE.....but it wasn't > like > that, the "new" id was counting since the last id then if the last id was > 100, the new id was counting from 100 to 200 .... do i explain myself?... > does anyone have an answer to this problem (PLEASE Dont tell me i have to > do > i manually!! ) > > thanks, > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > > "George Nicolae" <geomasterwebhotmail.com> wrote in message > news:20020804001037.31489.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > ask. > > > > -- > > > > > > Best regards, > > George Nicolae > > IT Manager > > ___________________ > > PaginiWeb.com - Professional Web Design > > www.PaginiWeb.com > > > > > > "::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::>" <flavinhocantv.net> wrote in message > > news:20020803224811.95593.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > > May i ask for help about a subejct on MySQL here? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 08:27:37PM -0400, ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::> wrote: > i tried to delete that cell (id) and then i recreate it. thinking the id was > going to count it all over and make the item id TRUE.....but it wasn't like > that, the "new" id was counting since the last id then if the last id was > 100, the new id was counting from 100 to 200 .... do i explain myself?... > does anyone have an answer to this problem (PLEASE Dont tell me i have to do > i manually!! )

You can use a version of mysql prior to 3.23, which is the version that this behavior was introduced. Many people, myself included, believe the ability to use numbers that were used previously is a bug, so in 3.23, once a number is used in an auto incrementing column it cannot be used again. At least mysql won't auto generate it again.

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well....... yes, then maybe i made a mistake.... there was data related to the id ..... then i delete that row.... and the data that was related to the comments are gone away, because the row id has changed....so i would have to put then manually again....

Flavio Bastos Amiel

"Maxim Maletsky" <subscriptionsphpbeginner.com> wrote in message news:000c01c23b50$050fcfe0$1113fe17dominanta... > > Why do you need it anyway? > > auto_increment is a mySQL functionality to (listen this carefully) KEEP > UNICITY WITHIN A TABLE. This is what they are needed for. I agree - it > would look prettier having them even sequential, but that is behind the > real point and it is not a "problem". > > You should make your application independent from "id" value - "id" > should only serve you as a key to relate the data within > application/database. > > > Sincerely, > > Maxim Maletsky > > PHP Beginner > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::> [mailto:flavinhocantv.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:28 AM > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > Subject: [PHP] Re: May i? > > > > let's see if i can do it... > > > > i got a news site..... everything was going OK....sometimes i made few > > testing and then i delete the content from the db... the problem is > next: > > > > the item "id" is an auto_increment element .. so the id's wasn't going > > allright....because they where not true... sometimes they make jumps > like > > id > > #25 and the id #30 (because of the testing i've done and then delete) > > > > i tried to delete that cell (id) and then i recreate it. thinking the > id > > was > > going to count it all over and make the item id TRUE.....but it wasn't > > like > > that, the "new" id was counting since the last id then if the last id > was > > 100, the new id was counting from 100 to 200 .... do i explain > myself?... > > does anyone have an answer to this problem (PLEASE Dont tell me i have > to > > do > > i manually!! ) > > > > thanks, > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > > > > > > > > "George Nicolae" <geomasterwebhotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:20020804001037.31489.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > > ask. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > George Nicolae > > > IT Manager > > > ___________________ > > > PaginiWeb.com - Professional Web Design > > > www.PaginiWeb.com > > > > > > > > > "::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::>" <flavinhocantv.net> wrote in > message > > > news:20020803224811.95593.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > > > May i ask for help about a subejct on MySQL here? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >

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Hi. I used to wonder that myself too. Now (after lots of auto_increment fields I've done) I know that a sequential order is just pretty but useless 'cause MySQL won't give you a maximum fields allowed.

The solution is pretty easy. Just make an SQL query like this:

SQL> ALTER TABLE table_name AUTO_INCREMENT = 1;

And that's it... it will restore the counting back to where it was left.

HTH, C.

> -----Original Message----- > From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::> [mailto:flavinhocantv.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:09 PM > To: php-generallists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: May i? > > well....... yes, then maybe i made a mistake.... there was data related to > the id ..... then i delete that row.... and the data that was related to > the > comments are gone away, because the row id has changed....so i would have > to > put then manually again.... > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > "Maxim Maletsky" <subscriptionsphpbeginner.com> wrote in message > news:000c01c23b50$050fcfe0$1113fe17dominanta... > > > > Why do you need it anyway? > > > > auto_increment is a mySQL functionality to (listen this carefully) KEEP > > UNICITY WITHIN A TABLE. This is what they are needed for. I agree - it > > would look prettier having them even sequential, but that is behind the > > real point and it is not a "problem". > > > > You should make your application independent from "id" value - "id" > > should only serve you as a key to relate the data within > > application/database. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Maxim Maletsky > > > > PHP Beginner > > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::> [mailto:flavinhocantv.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:28 AM > > > To: php-generallists.php.net > > > Subject: [PHP] Re: May i? > > > > > > let's see if i can do it... > > > > > > i got a news site..... everything was going OK....sometimes i made few > > > testing and then i delete the content from the db... the problem is > > next: > > > > > > the item "id" is an auto_increment element .. so the id's wasn't going > > > allright....because they where not true... sometimes they make jumps > > like > > > id > > > #25 and the id #30 (because of the testing i've done and then delete) > > > > > > i tried to delete that cell (id) and then i recreate it. thinking the > > id > > > was > > > going to count it all over and make the item id TRUE.....but it wasn't > > > like > > > that, the "new" id was counting since the last id then if the last id > > was > > > 100, the new id was counting from 100 to 200 .... do i explain > > myself?... > > > does anyone have an answer to this problem (PLEASE Dont tell me i have > > to > > > do > > > i manually!! ) > > > > > > thanks, > > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "George Nicolae" <geomasterwebhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:20020804001037.31489.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > > > ask. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > George Nicolae > > > > IT Manager > > > > ___________________ > > > > PaginiWeb.com - Professional Web Design > > > > www.PaginiWeb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > "::: Flavio Bastos Amiel::::::>" <flavinhocantv.net> wrote in > > message > > > > news:20020803224811.95593.qmailpb1.pair.com... > > > > > May i ask for help about a subejct on MySQL here? > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > Flavio Bastos Amiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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Hi, I was discussing with a friend at a webhost I use and they have been experience a wierd problem recently with their php safe mode, I went to help and after spending a while in the bug database I couldn't find anything to explain it.

Basically every time you view a phpinfo page it will randomly change the local setting for safe mode from on or off, where the global setting is allways on... We also found out that if you run a php script 1000 times echoing the state of safemode it is constant for out the execution of the script, but it might change the next time we re-fresh the page.

The servers which are affected are using Plesk which is a control panel thing which basically bundles freeBSD, apache, php, mysql together with a PHP front end for users and admins...The current version of the software is as follows:

PHP 4.1.0 Apache 1.3.22 FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE (The builds would be newer but this is what the lastest Plesk provides)

I was wondering if anyone could have a explaination for this bug, if you want to see it for yourself check out my http://www.lusernet.34sp.com/phpInfo.php page. Since I'm not a admin of this webhost, and I'm only really doing this because I'm curious as well I can't give any more server specific details then what is publicly available on the phpInfo page since I don't know them :)

Anyway thanks for any reply Andrew

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Anyone know a good email decoder (function or class) that can split the any email to subject, from, to , body and attachments ?

Thank You

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Try looking for it on www.phpclasses.org - it is pretty rich for such content.

Sincerely,

Maxim Maletsky

PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com

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Where can I download the php manual with the user notes (in html format)

Thank You

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I've followed the threads on sessions, and discovered, to my horror, that I was passing the session id through cookies. Attempting to repair this 'problem' has been fun (with 200+ files).

Somehow, the session variables are not passing through once they encounter an https page. I'm using the following for passing the session id:

<form action="desired.php?<?=SID?>" method="post"> <?php header("location: desired.php?".sid); ?>

These work for ordinary http, but for https, it gives array(). Each page starts with <?php session_start(); ob_start(): ?>.

I have set globals=off, session.use_trans_sid=1 (so I shouldn't need to use <?=SID?> above, but I don't know what to use instead??), and session.use_cookies=0 in my php.ini.

In only one https page, when it loads gives me PHPSESSIONID anen3n1nn......., but still does not let me access the variables that should be within that session. I'm totally at a loss what is happening here. Can anyone shed some light on how to retrieve the session variables for an https page?

Any help or where to look (beyond the php.net pages where I learned about sessions), would be greatly appreciated.

Tia, Andre

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Hello All

I am trying to use parse_str in my script , passing a variable.

I have old code, working with php 4.1.2 working with the following script :

[rootzion kickstart]# cat make-kickstart.php

#!/usr/local/bin/php -q <? // parse any arguments parse_str ($argv[1]) ;

print "NAME: $name \n";

for some reason tho , under 4.2.2 it is not parsing the argument/s

[rootzion kickstart]# ./make-kickstart.php name=lxmode NAME:

Does any one know if anything changed in 4.2.2 , I swear it works under 4.1.2 or older.

Thanks for any advice or info in advance !!

Cheers

Neil

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Ok, I'm not a professional PHP developer, I'm just a plain student that loves PHP, I don't have the money to spend on Encoders and high end IDEs or whatever is out there, I just love the fact that I have a near unlimited supply of software out there which free to use, comes with source, and allows me to do what I want with it.

I also love the fact that there are such forums that allow me to ask questions, in more recent times be able to answer other peoples questions, I don't have to pay 50p/minute on a silly tech support line, I just email and I get a response a few hours later.

But I am very disappointed by the fact that a flame war is going on in this list. Respect the people that have made PHP, the people that have allowed many people to become PHP Developers and Professionals and earn a living. And hell if you don't want to earn a living then make silly little PHP sites as well that's cool, because Ramus (and the others that have helped) have gave me many hours of enjoyment in learning PHP and playing with all the cool things it can do. If I ever meet Ramus or any other core php programmers I would be sure to go up to them and tell them how amazing they are and even buy them a pint...

So Acer please stop abusing these people, who cares if Zend charge lots of money there are open source alternatives, if they are not as good as you want then it looks like Zend have the monopoly and there is nothing you can do about it. Oh yes there is you could write your own under the GPL!

I'm pretty sure there are no rules against b1tching on the lists or even flaming others, but I think many people are just shocked at Acer's views on the community and frankly I don't want to hear them anymore... so just before I set outlook to block his mails would the mods of this be able to remove him and stop him flaming our gods..

Thanks Andrew

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On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 05:52:09AM +0100, Andrew Brampton wrote: > so just before I set outlook to block his mails would the mods of this > be able to remove him and stop him flaming our gods..

Just set a filter to delete his mail. Banning him is not a good idea. The best thing you can do is just ignore trolls like him.

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