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Date: Tue Apr 04 2006 - 07:28:28 CDT

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php-general Digest 4 Apr 2006 12:28:28 -0000 Issue 4052

Topics (messages 233170 through 233191):

Re: curl http file upload post
        233170 by: Chris

proc_open and unix pty support
        233171 by: Jon
        233173 by: Chris

PHP/Dreamweaver CSS issue
        233172 by: The Doctor
        233180 by: Peter Hoskin
        233191 by: Jay Blanchard

parse a Makefile
        233174 by: Benjamin D Adams
        233182 by: Peter Hoskin
        233183 by: Kevin Kinsey

Re: utf8 problem
        233175 by: Chris

Re: Best authentication method for user
        233176 by: Grant Young

Re: return path of mail function
        233177 by: sub.drewpydraws.com
        233178 by: Chris

Re: Here is a silly question
        233179 by: Chris
        233188 by: Tom Chubb

Re: ID-tags from picture?
        233181 by: Chris

Re: PHP AJAX Framework - Suggestions Please
        233184 by: Rasmus Lerdorf

How to get a timestamp in error log?
        233185 by: John Hicks

Re: mysql_fecth_array() and function call as parameter
        233186 by: Jon Drukman

Re: Multidimentional array problems
        233187 by: John Wells

Re: Looping information into a table
        233189 by: Georgi Ivanov
        233190 by: Georgi Ivanov

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webmaster wrote:
> I am trying to upload a file to a remote server using curl and post method
> here is what I have:
>
> $file = $dir."".$dbfile[0];
> $this->invoiceno = $dbfile[1];
> $uploadpath = "http://www.website.com;
> $postvar = array ();
> $postvar['cboFileType'] = "837";
> $postvar['txtDesc'] = "Invoice No. ".$this->invoiceno;
> $postvar['btnSave'] = "Upload File";
> $postvar['FILE1'] = "$file";
> $postvar['UPLOADING'] = "true";
>
> $this->postvariables =
> "txtUserName=".$this->user."&txtPassword=".$this->password."&btnLogin=Log
> In";
>
> // login first
> $ch = curl_init();
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_URL, $this->login_post);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_USERAGENT, $this->agent);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POST, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS, $this->postvariables);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_REFERER, $this->reffer);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_COOKIEFILE, $this->cookie_file_path);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_COOKIEJAR, $this->cookie_file_path);
> $results = curl_exec ($ch);
> // upload file
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POST, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS,$postvar);
> curl_setopt ( $ch, CURLOPT_URL, $uploadpath);
> $uploaded = curl_exec ( $ch );
> echo $uploaded;
>
> I think my problem is that the file I need to upload is not in the same
> directory on the server as this script. I am setting $file =
> /var/www/include/upload/test.txt and this is what seems to be causing the
> problem. I can find very little information on this topic on google so I
> need your help. Do I need to copy the file to the same directory that the
> script is in or is there something else I am missing? If I just set $file =
> test.txt how would the server know where to find the file?
>

You need the full filepath on the server - /path/to/test.txt.

from this page:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.curl-setopt.php

looks like you need to add a curl_setopt call:

CURLOPT_UPLOAD

If that doesn't work, put verbose mode on and see what's going on:

CURLOPT_VERBOSE

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Has anyone worked with ptys using proc_open? I want to try it out but
it appears to be disabled at the source level and I don't know how to
re-enable it. Any info at all is appreciated.

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Jon wrote:
> Has anyone worked with ptys using proc_open? I want to try it out but
> it appears to be disabled at the source level and I don't know how to
> re-enable it. Any info at all is appreciated.

Stupid question - you're using php5 right? It should already be there:

http://php.net/proc_open

PHP 5 introduces pty support for systems with Unix98 ptys.

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I am trying to modularize a Web Page using one of Dremweaver's CSSes.

It works in Firefox but it falls about in IE.

Is IE at fault or the modularization?

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Lack of information means no answer for you.

More to the point, this is a CSS question... not a PHP one. There is a
difference.

The Doctor wrote:
> I am trying to modularize a Web Page using one of Dremweaver's CSSes.
>
> It works in Firefox but it falls about in IE.
>
> Is IE at fault or the modularization?
>
>

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[snip]
I am trying to modularize a Web Page using one of Dremweaver's CSSes.

It works in Firefox but it falls about in IE.

Is IE at fault or the modularization?
[/snip]

Since it is a CSS issue it is likely IE. I will refer you to a CSS
mailing list at css-dlists.css-discuss.org since this is not a PHP
question. They will want more information than you provided here, such
as an example or link to the page that doesn't work.

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I'm trying to parse a Makefile, (FreeBSD Ports)
I plan on dumping the Makefile vars to a MySQL Database.

Would I parse the make file like a ini file?
Or would I have to use something different?

Maybe someone knows a tool that can do this for me?

Thanks
Ben

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Makefile's are not ini files.

ini files have the structure
[section]
variable=value
[section2]
variable2=value2

Makefiles have the structure
variable=value

Benjamin D Adams wrote:
> I'm trying to parse a Makefile, (FreeBSD Ports)
> I plan on dumping the Makefile vars to a MySQL Database.
>
> Would I parse the make file like a ini file?
> Or would I have to use something different?
>
> Maybe someone knows a tool that can do this for me?
>
> Thanks
> Ben
>
>

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Benjamin D Adams wrote:

>I'm trying to parse a Makefile, (FreeBSD Ports)
>I plan on dumping the Makefile vars to a MySQL Database.
>
>Would I parse the make file like a ini file?
>Or would I have to use something different?
>
>Maybe someone knows a tool that can do this for me?
>
>Thanks
>Ben
>
>

Try file() and ereg() or preg_match. If the Makefile
has standard format you're looking for

FOOBAR= some string here

so reading the file into an array (the file() call) and
using a regular expression conditional (to determine
if you're looking at a variable or something else)
might be quite enough to do the trick.

HTH,

Kevin Kinsey

--
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                -- Gloria Steinem

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Merlin wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I am trying to encode output with php with uft8_encode(); and then
> output it to an xml file. Unfortunatelly this does not work as the
> string that has been encoded by utf8_encode is not valid utf8?!

Depending on the string you might also need to htmlspecialchars it (to
encode < and > type characters).

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Hi Alain.

On the authentication front, you can use HTTP basic authentication for
this kind of thing too - and it means you're not having to re-invent the
wheel in a lot of ways. The Auth_HTTP PEAR module makes this pretty
simple to implement:
http://pear.php.net/package/Auth_HTTP/

You can integrate you're own authentication mechanisms (i.e. DB stored
passwords, LDAP authentication, whatever you like really) quite easily.

Permissions systems are harder to implement. The PEAR LiveUser package
is attempting to make this a bit easier too:
http://pear.php.net/package/LiveUser/

HTH. Grant

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> You are better off using the 5th paramater to mail() instead..
> mail($to, $sub, $msg, $headers, "-f $return");
>

And what if that doesn't work? Is there a 3rd way of doing it that might
work?

~Drew

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subdrewpydraws.com wrote:
>>You are better off using the 5th paramater to mail() instead..
>> mail($to, $sub, $msg, $headers, "-f $return");
>>
>
>
> And what if that doesn't work? Is there a 3rd way of doing it that might
> work?

Ask your host if they allow you to change it on the fly. Explain what
you're trying to do.

As Curt said, they might not let you in their exim config. Not much we
can do if that's the case..

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Mace Eliason wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is come thing that I have struggled with now and again. I usaually
> us php code to make it work, but was wondering how others deal with this
>
> I use includes in most of the web applications that I work on to include
> the header, footer, menu etc.
>
> The problem that I always run into as a project gets bigger is my links
> to pages. If all the files are in the root directory theres no problem.
>
> If I have some files in a folder and call my menu for example <?
> include("../menu.php"); ?> I have to call if from the parent
> directory. But then of course
> all the links are wrong. Root becomes the calling directory.
>
> I usually use a php variable to place the ../ if its needed.
>
> How does everyone else deal with this type of problem. I have a times
> places an extra copy of the footer, menu, header etc in each directory
> but it is a pain to change links
> when you have multiple locations to do it in.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> I would be nice to have a simple way to have my include files in a
> common place that works and keeps the links right.
>
> Scandog
>

I didn't see anybody else mention this, so:

$mydir = dirname(__FILE__);
include($mydir . '/../nav/menu.php');

works every time and you don't have to rely on document_root being set
properly etc.

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Great - thanks Chris - that's the answer I've been looking for!

On 04/04/06, Chris <dmagickgmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mace Eliason wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is come thing that I have struggled with now and again. I usaually
> > us php code to make it work, but was wondering how others deal with this
> >
> > I use includes in most of the web applications that I work on to include
> > the header, footer, menu etc.
> >
> > The problem that I always run into as a project gets bigger is my links
> > to pages. If all the files are in the root directory theres no
> problem.
> >
> > If I have some files in a folder and call my menu for example <?
> > include("../menu.php"); ?> I have to call if from the parent
> > directory. But then of course
> > all the links are wrong. Root becomes the calling directory.
> >
> > I usually use a php variable to place the ../ if its needed.
> >
> > How does everyone else deal with this type of problem. I have a times
> > places an extra copy of the footer, menu, header etc in each directory
> > but it is a pain to change links
> > when you have multiple locations to do it in.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> > I would be nice to have a simple way to have my include files in a
> > common place that works and keeps the links right.
> >
> > Scandog
> >
>
> I didn't see anybody else mention this, so:
>
> $mydir = dirname(__FILE__);
> include($mydir . '/../nav/menu.php');
>
> works every time and you don't have to rely on document_root being set
> properly etc.
>
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Gustav Wiberg wrote:
> Hi guys!
>
> If I've got this right, there will be some kind of tag that is saved in
> a picture (hidden). Is it possible to retrieve this information from PHP
> and what it is called? Any ideas / suggestions would be approciated!

Depends on what information you are after.

Some images may have exif info, but not all.

http://www.php.net/exif

Possibly IPTC information too (but only applies to jpegs apparently):

http://www.php.net/iptcparse

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Ruben Rubio Rey wrote:
> The best and simplest for me is prototype.js
>
> Is much more than ajax ! 100% cross browser! ang GPL!
>
> http://www.sergiopereira.com/articles/prototype.js.html

Note that quite a few people who know a lot about Javascript really
don't like the fact that prototype.js extends the basic Array type.
This means that if you have any Javascript that isn't prototype.js
aware, chances are pretty good that it will break because, for example,
you can't iterate over the elements of an Array anymore. It also
doesn't namespace any of its symbols which again means it doesn't play
nice with others. And my last real gripe is that it is a single
monolithic library. It's all or nothing.

I am of course rather biased, but I strongly prefer the Yahoo! User
Interface Library. You can read about it here:

   http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/

It is a set of tiny standalone components that won't in any way
interfere with any other Javascript code you might have and you can pick
and choose just the things you need.

-Rasmus

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My RHES4 configuration omits the timestamp when generating a PHP error
message in the (Apache) error log.

But regular apache errors *do* have a timestamp.

Is this normal?

How can I get the timestamp for the PHP errors as well?

Thanks,

John

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Paul Goepfert wrote:

>I included the or die function on the end of my query statement. When
>I tested this on my web page I got the following error
>
>Query2 Failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax near '(curdate())' at line 1
>
>When this code executed:
>
>$query2 = mysql_query("SELECT dayNum FROM Days WHERE dayNum = day(curdate())") ;
>
>I can't see where the error is. Can anyone see the error?
>

that query works fine here. what version mysql are you using? (server,
not client).

-jsd-

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On 4/3/06, Mace Eliason <meliasonshaw.ca> wrote:
> This is what I am doing and the output (for testing) seems correct
> while($row=mysql_fetch_array($result))
> {
> $banner= array($arrayIndex => $row);
>
> echo $banner[$arrayIndex]["image"]. "<br>";
> echo $banner[$arrayIndex]["url"]. "<br>";
> echo $banner[$arrayIndex]["display_type"]. "<br>";
> $arrayIndex++;
> }
>

Tom is correct, you're overwriting $banner each time. While the
following is a bit verbose (Tom's assignment step is all you need),
this might help to show what's happening:

[code]
$banner_array = array();
while ($row = mysql_fetch_array($result))
{
     $banner_array[] = array(
                               "url" => $row["url"],
                               "image" => $row["image"],
                               "display_type" => $row["display_type"]
                               );

}
[/code]

> $value=0;
> while($value < $number_of_banners_db )
> {
> echo $banner[$value]["url"]. "<br>";
> echo $banner[$value]["image"]. "<br>";
> echo $banner[$value]["display_type"]. "<br>";
> }

Here you're also not incrementing your loop counter. Try this:

[code]
foreach($banner_array as $banner)
{
     echo $banner["url"] . "<br>";
     echo $banner["image"] . "<br>";
     echo $banner["display_type"] . "<br>";
}
[/code]

HTH,

John W

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A little OT but i think it is important :
I really would not write this code like this .
You are making too many queries to the database . If u have 100 rows in first
table and 200 rows returned from second query , you make 100*200 queries to
the database !
Try using SQL Joins. Like this :

<?php
$query ="select * from cforum cf INNER JOIN scforum";
$res=mysql_query($query);

while ($line=mysql_fetch_array($res)){
?>
         <table width="94%" border="-1" bordercolor="black" cellspacing="1"
 cellpadding="0" align="center"> <tr>
 <td>
 <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
 bgcolor="#ff6600"> <tr>
 <td><font face="tahoma" size="1" color="white"><?php echo("<font face =tahoma
color=black size=1><b>$line[cname];</b></font><br>");
 ?></font></td> <td align="right"><font face="tahoma" size="1"
 color="white">Forum Mods Will Go Here</font></td> </tr>
 </table>
 </td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
 <td>
 <table width="98%" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0"
 align="center"> <tr>
 <td><font face="tahoma" color="black" size="1">
 <?php echo("<font face =tahoma color=black size=1><b>--> Topic Name:
 </b>$line[scname] <br> <b>--> Topic Description:</b> line[scdesc]<br>"); ?>

 </td>
 </tr>
 </table>
 </td>
 </tr>
 </table><br>
<?php
}

You may want to use LEfT Join ..
This way you will make just ONE query to the database

On Monday April 3 2006 06:31, benifactor wrote:
> i am creating a forum and i am having trouble getting the database
> information in to an html table
>
> i believe it has somthing to do with the placement of the while loops
> because they repeat the segment of code over untill the statment returns
> false, thus adding extra html.. you guys are the experts so if you could
> help i would appreaciate it. i will give you the code and an example of how
> its shows up and then how i need it to show up and if you could point me in
> the right direction it would be awsome...
>
>
> //code
> <?
> $query = mysql_query("select * from cforum");
> while ($query1 = mysql_fetch_array($query)) {
> $lid = $query1[id];
>
> $query2 = mysql_query("select * from scforum where cfid = '$lid'");
> while ($query3 = mysql_fetch_array($query2)) {
>
> ?>
> <table width="94%" border="-1" bordercolor="black" cellspacing="1"
> cellpadding="0" align="center"> <tr>
> <td>
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
> bgcolor="#ff6600"> <tr>
> <td><font face="tahoma" size="1" color="white"><?php echo("<font face
> =tahoma color=black size=1><b>$query1[cname];</b></font><br>");
> ?></font></td> <td align="right"><font face="tahoma" size="1"
> color="white">Forum Mods Will Go Here</font></td> </tr>
> </table>
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td>
> <table width="98%" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0"
> align="center"> <tr>
> <td><font face="tahoma" color="black" size="1">
> <?php echo("<font face =tahoma color=black size=1><b>--> Topic Name:
> </b>$query3[scname] <br> <b>--> Topic Description:</b>
> $query3[scdesc]<br>"); ?>
>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table><br>
>
>
>
> <?
> }
> }
>
> ?>
>
> //end code
>
> //here is how it displays
>
> General;
> Forum Mods Will Go Here
>
> --> Topic Name: General
> --> Topic Description: blagh l adsklhdfkhadklfhaklsdhf sdhlkh
>
>
>
>
>
> Other;
> Forum Mods Will Go Here
>
> --> Topic Name: Other
> --> Topic Description: sdfdsjl;asdf
>
>
>
>
>
> Other;
> Forum Mods Will Go Here
>
> --> Topic Name: Another Other
> --> Topic Description: sdafkasdhkdhas
>
>
>
>
>
> other;
> Forum Mods Will Go Here
>
> --> Topic Name: yet another other
> --> Topic Description: Talk about all aspects of other. oh wait
> There is another forum just for that!
>
>
>
>
>
> Bug Reports;
> Forum Mods Will Go Here
>
> --> Topic Name: Web Site Bug Reports
> --> Topic Description: Report bugs here. Please include
> information like, how the problem was encountered, the nature of the bug
> e.x. Spelling error on the forum page". Please give us steps on how to
> re-create the bug so we can fix it.
>
>
>
>
> // see this looks ok, but the 'others' should be grouped together....
>
> like this
> Other; forum Mods Will Go Here
> --> Topic Name: Another Other
> --> Topic Description: sdafkasdhkdhas
>
> --> Topic Name: Other
> --> Topic Description: sdfdsjl;asdf
>
>
> --> Topic Name: yet another other
> --> Topic Description: Talk about all aspects of other.
> oh wait There is another forum just for that!
>
>
>
>
> if you get what i mean and can offer any help i would appreaciate it thank
> you in advance!

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Sorry .
The correct SQL should be:
 $query ="select * from cforum cf INNER JOIN scforum ON
cforum.id=scforum.cfid";

:)

On Tuesday April 4 2006 11:58, Georgi Ivanov wrote:
> A little OT but i think it is important :
> I really would not write this code like this .
> You are making too many queries to the database . If u have 100 rows in
> first table and 200 rows returned from second query , you make 100*200
> queries to the database !
> Try using SQL Joins. Like this :
>
> <?php
> $query ="select * from cforum cf INNER JOIN scforum ON ";
> $res=mysql_query($query);
>
> while ($line=mysql_fetch_array($res)){
> ?>
> <table width="94%" border="-1" bordercolor="black" cellspacing="1"
> cellpadding="0" align="center"> <tr>
> <td>
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
> bgcolor="#ff6600"> <tr>
> <td><font face="tahoma" size="1" color="white"><?php echo("<font face
> =tahoma color=black size=1><b>$line[cname];</b></font><br>");
> ?></font></td> <td align="right"><font face="tahoma" size="1"
> color="white">Forum Mods Will Go Here</font></td> </tr>
> </table>
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td>
> <table width="98%" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0"
> align="center"> <tr>
> <td><font face="tahoma" color="black" size="1">
> <?php echo("<font face =tahoma color=black size=1><b>--> Topic Name:
> </b>$line[scname] <br> <b>--> Topic Description:</b> line[scdesc]<br>");
> ?>
>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table><br>
> <?php
> }
>
> You may want to use LEfT Join ..
> This way you will make just ONE query to the database
>
> On Monday April 3 2006 06:31, benifactor wrote:
> > i am creating a forum and i am having trouble getting the database
> > information in to an html table
> >
> > i believe it has somthing to do with the placement of the while loops
> > because they repeat the segment of code over untill the statment returns
> > false, thus adding extra html.. you guys are the experts so if you could
> > help i would appreaciate it. i will give you the code and an example of
> > how its shows up and then how i need it to show up and if you could point
> > me in the right direction it would be awsome...
> >
> >
> > //code
> > <?
> > $query = mysql_query("select * from cforum");
> > while ($query1 = mysql_fetch_array($query)) {
> > $lid = $query1[id];
> >
> > $query2 = mysql_query("select * from scforum where cfid = '$lid'");
> > while ($query3 = mysql_fetch_array($query2)) {
> >
> > ?>
> > <table width="94%" border="-1" bordercolor="black" cellspacing="1"
> > cellpadding="0" align="center"> <tr>
> > <td>
> > <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
> > bgcolor="#ff6600"> <tr>
> > <td><font face="tahoma" size="1" color="white"><?php echo("<font face
> > =tahoma color=black size=1><b>$query1[cname];</b></font><br>");
> > ?></font></td> <td align="right"><font face="tahoma" size="1"
> > color="white">Forum Mods Will Go Here</font></td> </tr>
> > </table>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > <tr>
> > <td>
> > <table width="98%" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0"
> > align="center"> <tr>
> > <td><font face="tahoma" color="black" size="1">
> > <?php echo("<font face =tahoma color=black size=1><b>--> Topic Name:
> > </b>$query3[scname] <br> <b>--> Topic Description:</b>
> > $query3[scdesc]<br>"); ?>
> >
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > </table>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > </table><br>
> >
> >
> >
> > <?
> > }
> > }
> >
> > ?>
> >
> > //end code
> >
> > //here is how it displays
> >
> > General;
> > Forum Mods Will Go Here
> >
> > --> Topic Name: General
> > --> Topic Description: blagh l adsklhdfkhadklfhaklsdhf sdhlkh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Other;
> > Forum Mods Will Go Here
> >
> > --> Topic Name: Other
> > --> Topic Description: sdfdsjl;asdf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Other;
> > Forum Mods Will Go Here
> >
> > --> Topic Name: Another Other
> > --> Topic Description: sdafkasdhkdhas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > other;
> > Forum Mods Will Go Here
> >
> > --> Topic Name: yet another other
> > --> Topic Description: Talk about all aspects of other. oh
> > wait There is another forum just for that!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bug Reports;
> > Forum Mods Will Go Here
> >
> > --> Topic Name: Web Site Bug Reports
> > --> Topic Description: Report bugs here. Please include
> > information like, how the problem was encountered, the nature of the bug
> > e.x. Spelling error on the forum page". Please give us steps on how to
> > re-create the bug so we can fix it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > // see this looks ok, but the 'others' should be grouped together....
> >
> > like this
> > Other; forum Mods Will Go Here
> > --> Topic Name: Another Other
> > --> Topic Description: sdafkasdhkdhas
> >
> > --> Topic Name: Other
> > --> Topic Description: sdfdsjl;asdf
> >
> >
> > --> Topic Name: yet another other
> > --> Topic Description: Talk about all aspects of other.
> > oh wait There is another forum just for that!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > if you get what i mean and can offer any help i would appreaciate it
> > thank you in advance!

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