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RE: Listar users... anybody?

Subject: RE: Listar users... anybody?
From: Alex Miller (postfixbannerclub.com)
Date: Mon Jan 17 2000 - 17:31:06 CST

> Still, someone else can publish the same idea
> as his own if he knew it already. How can you RESERVE
> a right to publish that idea?

I do not reserve the right to publish an idea.
I reserve copyright. If you don't know what
that means, I'm not sure how to correct that deficiency.
No one other than yourself is directly affected
by your misunderstanding.

> I know about open source
> and open content license, BTW.

I'm sorry but you are mistaken about that.

> You don't have to
> announce it to everyone that you RESERVE the right!
> Just say this material is GPL'd.

The content was not GPL'd. It was copyright.
I expressed an intent to include the copyright
material in document to published using an
open-source license. Based on your immediate
unfounded reservations, I resubmitted it
with a new correct copyright notice and reference
to the open content license. The open content
license was not included, only referred to.
My use of the term open source was essentially
incorrect in the first email, the relevant
term was open content.

As for not announcing, this is a trickier issue.
Normally in an email, no copyright notice is
stated, but every email is automatically copyright.
Under the fair use doctrine people can respond
to the emails, in pieces etc.; normal mailing
list usage.

However, since I wish to publish a document
in a manner other than on a mailing list,
perhaps on a website etc. I risk losing the
integrity of THAT copyright material including
my ability to GRANT FREE LICENSE to those
who wish to contribute to that content's development
(presumably people smarter than me!) IF
I don't reserve the copyright on the material
when it is posted to the mailing list indicating
it's reasonable difference from copyright
material posted on mailing lists without copyright
reference.

> You don't have to
> announce it to everyone that you RESERVE the right!
> Just say this material is GPL'd.

A copyright notice anounces to everyone that you
RESERVE the right!

That's what it does.

> I can always write the same thing in different words
> and publish it as my own. I can as I did it before
> you came up with this RESERVED thing.

Of course you can write the same idea in differnet
words and publish it as your own.

Wether you "did it" before is irrelevant. You have
the right to publish your words and copyright them.

Your words are your words. When you write them
they are copyright. You automatically have exclusive
control of them, within the parameters of the
fair use doctrine. If you state copyright with
your words you protect your rights further with
regards to your future ability to control licensing
of material or in the event of legal conflict.

At any rate, IF your bothered to read the
open content license you would understand that
I have liberated the copyright material in a
very useful way.

It seems to me that you are passionate about
intellectual freedom, as am I. This misunderstanding
of the power of the law and the revolutionary
nature of the open-source movement does not
cause me to fail to recognize that we are
similarly inclined if not similarly informed.

Alex Miller

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-postfix-userspostfix.org
> [mailto:owner-postfix-userspostfix.org]On Behalf Of Nadeem Hasan
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 11:18 PM
> To: postfix-userspostfix.org
> Subject: Re: Listar users... anybody?
>
>
> Still, someone else can publish the same idea
> as his own if he knew it already. How can you RESERVE
> a right to publish that idea? I know about open source
> and open content license, BTW. You don't have to
> announce it to everyone that you RESERVE the right!
> Just say this material is GPL'd. Why do you want to
> do that if all you want is an open license!
> I can always write the same thing in different words
> and publish it as my own. I can as I did it before
> you came up with this RESERVED thing.
>
> Anyway, what you are talking about belongs to postfix
> FAQ. Nothing big that requires its own HOWTO and
> license.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nadeem
>
> Alex Miller wrote:
> >
> > I'm planning on writing an Open Source document.
> > Anyone can publish it. Anyone can add to it. An
> > open-source document is like open-source software.
> >
> > I wish what I write on the subject to be
> > free and open-source. The way I protect THAT
> > is to copyright anything I write on the
> > subject. I can't copyright anything that
> > ISN'T mine. Open-source is a LICENSE. That
> > is, copyright is RESERVED, and rights to publish
> > are granted.
> >
> > > I am already using this technique with postfix and listar. By
> > > claiming this so called copyright, you mean I cannot publish
> > > it on my own? Why do you need to RESERVE a copyright? What next,
> > > file a patent maybe.
> > >
> > > Nadeem
> >
> > It's not so-called copyright. It IS copyright.
> > Whatever I write is copyright and if I want
> > to state that copyright I can.
> >
> > Anything YOU write is your business. You may
> > copyright it, grant license with it, anything
> > you want.
> >
> > At any rate, I will repost my email, with the
> > open-source LICENSE which will, among other
> > things, allow anyone to publish it.
> >
> > I should have done that in the first place
> > but I figured that people on this list
> > understood enough about the open-source
> > movement to realize that I needed to reserve
> > copyright if I want to license the same
> > material using an open-source license.
> >
> > I'll need a little time to get it, I was reading
> > an article on the license recently.
> >
> > Alex Miller
>
>

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