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Subject: FW: schwabsignature message termination
From: Mark Hoffman (mark.hoffmanwallst.com)
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 11:01:20 CDT

I have been dealing with an ISP who claims that Postfix is not sending a
"CRLF . CRLF" to his mail exchanger to end the sent messages. Without
verifying it myself, I am skeptical that this is the case, since I send out
250,000 emails a day from 10 Postfix servers, and he is the only one
complaining. Attached is the email trail for your viewing pleasure.

Has anyone else run into this?

Your help is much appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Hoffman
303.417.9999 x267

-----Original Message-----
From: mikecosandybeach.com [mailto:mikecosandybeach.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:18 AM
To: Mark Hoffman
Subject: Re: schwabsignature message termination

Sorry Mark,
on the receiving SMTP server, the message does not have
the terminating CRLF . CRLF

The SMTP receiver waits 15 minutes to see the terminator,
then closes the data stream and saves the message in a
BadMail folder.

Attached, find an example;
badmsg.txt is the ASCII text
badmsg.dmp is a HEX/ASCII dump of the message.

Tell me if this helps.

Sincerely,

Michael Courtney
SandyBeach
206-789-9376
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hoffman <mark.hoffmanwallst.com>
To: 'Michael Courtney' <mikecosandybeach.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: schwabsignature message termination

> It is. Otherwise it would not be queued up on my outbound mailservers.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Hoffman
> 303.417.9999 x267
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mikecosandybeach.com [mailto:mikecosandybeach.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:58 AM
> To: Mark Hoffman
> Subject: Re: schwabsignature message termination
>
>
> Mark,
>
> Multiple CR characters as line terminators is not a problem
> and I appreciate your effort to make messages work with
> the problematic mail readers.
>
> The worst problem is that your messages are not being terminated.
> That is, every mail message (per RFC 821) must end with
> <CRLF>.<CRLF>
> (a period(.) on a line by itself)
>
> Please read this web page, it will help;
> http://www.sandybeach.com/SBmail/smtpeof.htm
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael Courtney
> SandyBeach
> 206-789-9376
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Hoffman <mark.hoffmanwallst.com>
> To: <mikecosandybeach.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 2:35 PM
> Subject: RFC 821 compliance issues.
>
>
> > Mr. Courtney,
> >
> > I maintain software that sends hundreds of thousands of stock price
> > information emails to subscribers for Schwab and other companies. I
> received
> > an email from Schwab telling me to call you because our email is not
> sending
> > CRLF at the end of each line, and you are bouncing back the emails.
> > Synonymous with this, I have seen another problem arise that involves
> email
> > sent to RoadRunner (rr.com), MSN (msn.com) and Worldnet
(worldnet.att.net)
> > domains. Are you hosting these domains as well? I have put code into my
> > processes to send CRLF as the line terminators per RFC 821 (it's
> unfortunate
> > that the major software providers don't ensure that their client
software
> is
> > 821 compliant), and had problems sending to these domains. So, until I
> debug
> > this problem, I can't continue to use the CRLF. If you could call me or
> > reply to this, I would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark Hoffman
> > 303.417.9999 x267
> >
>
>