Actually, Outlook XP, which I use primarily this is no problem (yes,
Microsoft I know with their intrusions into this software like every
other, but, that aside, it's a damn good interface, and the laptop has
to run Win for my multimedia needs)

I think Outlook 2000 has the same option, couldn't say for sure without
installing it on a box and trying it. Outlook 97 and Outlook Express -
another story.

Most of you probably know this, but Outlook and Outlook Express are
really two separate programs. Outlook was introduced with Office 97 and
replaced the Win95 (and NT4? Not sure) Exchange mail client. Outlook
Express was a name change to the mail client packaged with the Internet
Explorer browswer - starting with IE4. In IE3.x it was "Internet Mail
and news". Though I really haven't worked with Outlook Express since
the days of IE4, I think it's still architecturally the same, or at
least different than Office Outlook...though they have worked at
import/export compatability.

Outlook Express is nothing special, and can fall prey to virus attacks
easily, though I beleive the MS people are working on that - God, I hope
so. They should have fried that Mellissa virus guy. 20 months? He
cost people billions.

This brings up another issue: Antivirus - I don't find anything in the
FAQ under "UCE/Virus" that seems to pertain to this. Any suggestions for
incorporating with Norton?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diehn, Mike [mailto:MDiehnvicinity.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:34 AM
To: 'Greg Long'
Subject: RE: SMTP after POP for postfix?

I've got a really simple solution that works well in that environment.
The only catch is that you have to train the users to always POP first.
For Outlook users, that's often a problem. They'll have to be trained
to always ignore the initial error message they'll occasionally get.

My solution is adapted from one I found through the postfix archives a
few years ago. It uses a perl script running as a daemon on a solaris
machine (works on anything, though). I can send it to you. The script
reads the pop logs, finds valid authentications and records an entry in
a table that postfix knows to look at during SMTP relay validation. The
addition to main.cf (for postfix) is trivial.

If you're system runs perl scripts, can use dbm databases (should be
able
to) and you've got root on the box (I assume you do), then you can use
this to good effect.

Want it?

MIke

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Long [mailto:postfixermaneuveringspeed.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:37 PM
> To: 'Diehn, Mike'; postfix-userspostfix.org
> Subject: RE: SMTP after POP for postfix?
>
>
> Correct, all one big happy dysfunctional family (yes, the same box)
>
> I COULD configure a second one as a temporary measure, but surely some

> mail would get lost in the process. We're low traffic, so being down
> for a few minutes is no big, but I would hate to crash it
> good'n'proper and it be down for hours or worse - days
>
> Greg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diehn, Mike [mailto:MDiehnvicinity.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:29 PM
> To: 'Greg Long'
> Subject: RE: SMTP after POP for postfix?
>
>
>
> One server doing both the SMTP and POP?
>
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Long [mailto:postfixermaneuveringspeed.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:24 PM
> To: postfix-userspostfix.org
> Subject: SMTP after POP for postfix?
>
>
> I've been referred to a nice set of instructions for configuring SMTP
> authentication, but it requires rebuilding postifx - and if something
> goes wrong it'll be offline for sometime, affecting my mailing lists.
>
> I'm looking for something that isn't so risky, and SMTP after
> POP should
> do fine for us. Any implementations that anyone can recommend?
>

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