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From: AMIC (amic_at_hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Sep 16 2002 - 10:27:13 CDT

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    Not that I want to make any enemies here and I do see some merit in both
    sides of the issue but I find myself wondering why using your ISP's SMTP
    server is an issue for non-commercial accounts (i.e. no static IP)? Just
    how much mail is such a person sending and if large amounts, why isn't it
    run from a static server address?

    I'm sure there are instances where a news group mailing list maintained by
    someone not able to obtain a static type account exists and for that person
    working through an ISP's server is difficult (and there must be similar type
    situations that would apply) but how many can there be?

    Should my company bear the expense of manually (and continuously) developing
    anti-Spam configurations for this small percentage of the population? I
    don't find that realistic and although unfortunate the answer I see
    businesses adopting is the blanket denial of such IP ranges.

    Is there a way to create a list of such users so they can be allowed to send
    mail? Users put themselves on the list and are somehow verified that they
    are not Spammers? Would that possibly be a solution to both sides of the
    issue?

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Eugen Leitl" <eugenleitl.org>
    To: "Simon White" <simonmtds.com>
    Cc: <postfix-userspostfix.org>
    Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 4:06 AM
    Subject: Re: Connection refused (was: RE: mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/* ?)

    > On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Simon White wrote:
    >
    > > It's not just about laziness, it's about priorities. Eventually you have
    > > to switch off port 25 access to all your dialup pool, except to your own
    >
    > Now this is bad. ISPs provide connectivity, not the opposite thereof. The
    > spam problem has far more constructive solutions than this. You as an ISP
    > of all people should know that blocking ports is a lazy person's solution.
    >
    > I'm interested in becoming part of a remailer network. The traffic
    > remixing happens between consenting (albeit elsewhere blackholed nodes)
    > before it egresses over 'legitimate' mail servers.
    >
    > Your "solution" is rife with friendly fire.
    >
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