From: Lee Quince (Lee.Quinceiqunity.com)
Date: Wed May 14 2008 - 02:26:22 CDT

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Another good point...

But back to the stupid user problem... This class dont have the time or
will to understand.

Regards

Lee

Peter Koinange wrote:
> I guess the main problem is with ISP then they should have encourage their users to switch to authenticated SMTP, if one is to check providers who give free email eg google etc, they all use authenticated SMTP
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> K
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> ----- "Lee Quince" <Lee.Quinceiqunity.com> wrote:
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>
>> Jorey,
>>
>> Still missing the point...
>>
>> Most ISP's still only allow you to relay when connected to one of
>> there
>> own connection's.
>>
>> 95% of users still use unauthenticated SMTP.
>>
>> 5% of users use authenticated SMTP.
>>
>> Hence lets reduce the bigger problem. "What the Customer wants"
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jorey Bump [mailto:listjoreybump.com]
>> Sent: 13 May 2008 16:51
>> To: Lee Quince
>> Cc: postfix users list
>> Subject: Re: Allow all types of Relay for a Hotspot Provider..
>>
>> Lee Quince wrote, at 05/13/2008 11:48 AM:
>>
>>> O'well you all seem to miss the business side of it..
>>>
>>> Sometimes its not about what we want but what our customers ask
>>>
>> for.!
>>
>>> i.e in this case a hotel.
>>>
>>> I agree not best practice, but when you have a screaming executive
>>>
>> at
>>
>>> 3am on the support phone who cannot understand where the power
>>>
>> button
>> is
>>
>>> "i normally shut the lid" then you may understand..
>>>
>>> We will have 10,000 smtp redirect's of legitimate email everyday..
>>>
>> then
>>
>>> there will be the 4 users that have paid 500.00 for a room and they
>>> cannot send email on the free wifi service. What is the smaller
>>>
>> pain?
>>
>>> As for the comment about who's protects the user? Well it would
>>>
>> have
>> to
>>
>>> be the box the laptop came in. Really is that our problem, we don't
>>>
>> host
>>
>>> there email just provide a mechanism to send. The least we need the
>>>
>> user
>>
>>> to change the better.
>>>
>> Then don't block or attempt to proxy port 25. They don't need you to
>> supply an MTA in order to send email. They already have an email
>> provider, as you point out. Why interfere at all, if you don't want
>> the
>> headache?
>>
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