From: Peter Koinange (peter.koinangeke.wananchi.com)
Date: Wed May 14 2008 - 02:26:39 CDT

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Thats right, then the only way is to force users to change
  - Mass Mail all users telling them of the change to authenticated SMTP ( making sure to point out advantages ) providing them with a period when the chnage will occur eg 2 months. Then implementing the change and only supporting authenticated SMTP

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----- "Lee Quince" <Lee.Quinceiqunity.com> wrote:

> Another good point...
>
> But back to the stupid user problem... This class dont have the time
> or will to understand.
>
> Regards
>
> Lee
>
> Peter Koinange wrote:
>
> I guess the main problem is with ISP then they should have encourage
> their users to switch to authenticated SMTP, if one is to check
> providers who give free email eg google etc, they all use
> authenticated SMTP
>
>
>
>
> K
>
> ----- "Lee Quince" <Lee.Quinceiqunity.com> wrote:
>
> Jorey,
>
> Still missing the point...
>
> Most ISP's still only allow you to relay when connected to one of
> there
> own connection's.
>
> 95% of users still use unauthenticated SMTP.
>
> 5% of users use authenticated SMTP.
>
> Hence lets reduce the bigger problem. "What the Customer wants"
>
> Regards
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jorey Bump [ mailto:listjoreybump.com ]
> Sent: 13 May 2008 16:51
> To: Lee Quince
> Cc: postfix users list
> Subject: Re: Allow all types of Relay for a Hotspot Provider..
>
> Lee Quince wrote, at 05/13/2008 11:48 AM:
>
> O'well you all seem to miss the business side of it..
>
> Sometimes its not about what we want but what our customers ask for.!
>
> i.e in this case a hotel.
>
> I agree not best practice, but when you have a screaming executive at
>
> 3am on the support phone who cannot understand where the power button
> is
>
> "i normally shut the lid" then you may understand..
>
> We will have 10,000 smtp redirect's of legitimate email everyday..
> then
>
> there will be the 4 users that have paid 500.00 for a room and they
> cannot send email on the free wifi service. What is the smaller pain?
>
> As for the comment about who's protects the user? Well it would have
> to
>
> be the box the laptop came in. Really is that our problem, we don't
> host
>
> there email just provide a mechanism to send. The least we need the
> user
>
> to change the better. Then don't block or attempt to proxy port 25.
> They don't need you to
> supply an MTA in order to send email. They already have an email
> provider, as you point out. Why interfere at all, if you don't want
> the
> headache?
>
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>
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