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Subject: Re: Certified Security Course
From: Mark Fagan (mfaganVIRTUECON.COM)
Date: Fri Jun 09 2000 - 13:51:40 CDT

Em ... ye can only do one mcse course....

I think ye meant mcp courses....

We don't wanna go confusing the guy whois just lookin for some security
exposure.

If ye want security courses on NT, go do the Implementing a Security blagh
blagh.... on windows 2k, this course does actually cover security issues....
PKI, IPSEC, etc...

Citricks

-----Original Message-----
From: Focus on Microsoft Mailing List
[mailto:FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM]On Behalf Of Ben Greenbaum
Sent: 06 June 2000 23:00
To: FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM
Subject: Re: Certified Security Course

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Tanner, Robby wrote:

> Do NOT waste thousands of $$$ on an MCSE course. Anyone who is truly
> serious about security does not use Windows.

I'll disagree with that. SecurityFocus has an entire focus area that
proves otherwise, not to mention a fairly busy mailing list :) Like it or
not, Windows is the standard for the desktop environment, and is getting
more and more popular as a server platform as well. It may not have the
*cool* factor of *nix, but Windows security knowlege is a valuable
commodity.

That being said, I agree with the comment about the MCSE courses. They are
not security-centric, and I don't think that they are worth the money if
you are only interested in security. When I first started getting
seriously into security, I was fortunate enough to work for a company that
was willing to pay for me to take a few MCSE courses. The background
information I got from those courses has proved useful here and there, but
I could have easily found the same information for free online.

I learned a lot more just by setting up an NT domain in my house and then
learning how to hack it...

Ben Greenbaum
Director of Site Content
Security Focus
http://www.securityfocus.com