Laura is 80 % correct...Remote Admin limits but its Mult-user capable...And
to clarify Windows XP does not change this or do it any different then W2K
did. You can't execute Word.exe 2 times and not be in Mult-mode ....thus in
essense Multi-user is default when Terminal Server is deployed, either in
Remote Admin or App mode. The limitations are by deployment design, not
multi mode execution..

-Peter
 Terminal Server SME - Microsoft

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura A. Robinson [mailto:larobinsBELLATLANTIC.NET]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:57 PM
To: FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM
Subject: Re: Win2K Terminal Service as Web Server Admin Tool

Actually, this is not the case. Remote Administration mode does not create a
multi-user environment, while Application mode does. In Whistler (XP),
servers are automatically capable of remote admin, but you don't have the
option to use terminal services unless you install it. When you install it,
a multi-user environment is created and the server is then a terminal
server.

Laura
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Patrick" <mikepat1AIRMAIL.NET>
To: <FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Win2K Terminal Service as Web Server Admin Tool

> I believe the difference between Admin and App mode is licensing, not
> capabilities. With Admin mode, you don't need the Licensing server
> portion; with App you do. Also, Admin is easier on the box because it
only
> has to be ready for two occasional sessions, not dozens of all the time
> sessions (different performance tweaks).
>
> Michael
>
> At 14:36 2001-03-02 -0800, you wrote:
> >I must have missed something in the thread... I didn't see any reference
to
> >the need for lots of multiple concurrent connections.
> >Besides, AFAIK WinVNC only supports a single logon. Let me rephrase
that- I
> >think you can have multiple concurrent logons, but they will all see the
> >same desktop...
> >
> >The tserver remote admin option, even though limited to 2 concurrent
logons,
> >will still give you way more functionality in that both logons can be
> >running their own processes indipendently with their own desktops.
> >
> >Being curious, what function was not available in application mode?
> >AD
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jeff Neithercutt" <neitherjWELLSFARGO.COM>
> >To: <FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM>
> >Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: Win2K Terminal Service as Web Server Admin Tool
> >
> >
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> > >
> > > True, but that limits you to a total of two connections. Which means
> > > if you need more than two people to connect to the server at once,
> > > you MUST run it in application mode, because MS limits the total TS
> > > connections to two in remote administration. Unfortunately, what we
> > > needed it to do for us was not available in application mode.
> > >
> > > - -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Attonbitus Deus [mailto:ThorHAMMEROFGOD.COM]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:06 AM
> > > To: FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Win2K Terminal Service as Web Server Admin Tool
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, Terminal Services only requires additional licenses when in
> > > Application Server mode, not when in Remote Administration mode(AFA
> > > 2k is
> > > concerned): therefore, there is no additional cost to configure a
> > > Server/Adv
> > > Server as a TS for remote admin.
> > >
> > > AD
> > >
> > > - ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve" <steve.taiFRIJ.COM.AU>
> > > To: <FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Win2K Terminal Service as Web Server Admin Tool
> > >
> > >
> > > > VNC will install as a service on NT server hence you can restart
> > > > easily
> > > however
> > > > I think for the purpose of administration, Terminal Server is the
> > > > more
> > > expensive
> > > > (free WinVNC :} ) and practical. However, I have a clients client
> > > > who has
> > > WinTS
> > > > and Webserver IIS. IMHO, it is a bad idea to mix the two as a
> > > > buffer
> > > overflow
> > > > attack or some sort of Unicode bug will reveal the administrators
> > > > password
> > > and
> > > > all of a sudden, you have all control of the PC remotely, clear
> > > > logs etc
> > > etc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Schroeder, Kurt" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You could try WTS and use IIS/TSWEB server package for Web based
> > > Terminal
> > > > > server control. I use it as my remote control package for
> > > > > internal
> > > servers.
> > > > > I would appreciate hearing about any security concerns regarding
> > > exposure of
> > > > > this service.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/recommended/tsac/defaul
> > > t.asp
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Stephane Moulec [mailto:smouleccuisinesolutions.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:45 AM
> > > > > To: FOCUS-MSSECURITYFOCUS.COM
> > > > > Subject: Win2K Terminal Service as Web Server Admin Tool
> > > > >
> > > > > I installed as web/mail server on a Win2K server. I am looking at
> > > several
> > > > > options for the management of the server:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1- PCAnywhere / VNC et. al.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2- Web interface for IIS and my mail software (over SSL)
> > > > >
> > > > > 3- (so far my favorite) Windows Terminal Service (remote
> > > > > administration only).
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder how secure the WTS interface is (is the traffic
> > > > > encrypted by default? Is it easy to crack? Do I expose the server
> > > > > too much by having
> > > WTS
> > > > > enabled? Can I change the port it is running on so that a port
> > > > > scan does
> > > not
> > > > > reveal it?)
> > > > >
> > > > > I would appreciate any feedback on Windows Terminal Service as a
> > > > > remote admin solution for a webserver. Please no feedback on
> > > > > PcAnywhere, VNC or
> > > IIS
> > > > > Webadmin tools, the list's archive has more info that I need on
> > > > > these topics.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------
> > > > > Stephane Moulec
> > > > > Network Systems Manager
> > > > > Cuisine Solutions, Inc.
> > > > > http://www.cuisinesolutions.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "I love Saturday morning cartoons, what classic humour! This is
> > > > > what entertainment is all about ... Idiots, explosives and
> > > > > falling anvils." -- Calvin and Hobbes, Bill Watterson
> > > > >
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