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From: Chris St. Clair (chris_stclairHOTMAIL.COM)
Date: Sun Feb 04 2001 - 14:10:16 CST

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    >skill and knowledge in the security areana. Some people say you >cannot
    >spoof a switched network, I beg the difference. I appreciate

    Who says this? The internet by its very nature is switched, and
    people have been spoofing on it for humpteen (sp?) years.

    > Can someone inside a switched NT network spoof a host to get
    >unauthorized access to resources. How easy or hard is it?

    Well, that depends. Is access to the resource based on what IP
    the client system has? Does NT even offer this as an option? I'm
    not much of NT guy anymore, maybe they thought this was better
    than broadcasting the poorly encrypted LM hash?

    At any rate, I'm really not quite sure what your question means.
    Do you mean, could someone who has another system on the same
    switch as your NT network spoof another client system to gain
    access to a resource protected by an IP-based ACL? If that is
    what you mean, I guess in theory it's possible you could DoS
    the legitimate client system until it died, and then bring your
    system up with the needed IP address.

    > Can someone outside the switched NT network spoof a host to >get
    >unauthorized access. How can they do this?

    Again, not quite sure what you mean. Do you mean someone who is
    at least one router hop away from your switched segment? If so:
    DoS, sequence number prediction, source routing.

    > Can an individual inside or outside the switched NT network >hijack a
    >session to get into resources

    Actual session hijacking would be difficult without being on
    the same segment. But I guess, why would you want to hijack
    the session when you could just brute force your way into the
    resource?

    > What tools would the culprit use?

    Probably a lot of things they wrote themself :> , or any number
    of available tools. I would start with www.google.com

    > Can the individual spoof the host using SYN flooding, >sending spoofed
    >ARP replies, MAC flooding/ MAC spoofing/MAC >duplication.

    I'm sure any number of those techniques might or might not work.

    However, I notice you keep referring to the network in question as
    as a "switched NT network" as if this fact might offer some added
    security. Is it safe to assume this segment is comprised of NT systems
    interconnected via a switch?

    I think the key here is to understand that whether they're on a network that
    is switched ethernet, a hub, FDDI or token ring, connected via crossover
    cables, or dial on demand modems, if they're connected to the internet with
    little or no access control someone
    can, and will break into them.

    -chris
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