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RE: bill gates' claim about security vulnerabilities per LOC in Unix versus Windows
From: J.A. Terranson (measlmfn.org)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2003 - 17:24:01 CST
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, David E. Mollico Jr wrote:
> You all are funny if you think one of the richest men in the world would
> make a claim nationally that he couldn't back up with studies and facts.
This is a fallacious argument. Mr. Gates riches are not germane to his
> I'm sure some of you might reply saying he fakes the studies or does
> something to hurt them or make them bias.
No. I am implying that Mr. Gates flat out believes what he makes up.
> Fact is, microsoft has some of
> the best products out there.
I agree that MS makes the best products for certain applications. However,
this is also not germane to the argument. Realize also that they can have
"the best product" for a given application while the statement you are
objecting to is still valid.
> They hold some of the most sensitive information in the world. Hense,
> they are attacked more than anything else in the world.
Non-sequitor. Please come back when you complete your 5th grade logic
"Every living thing dies alone."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.A. Terranson [mailto:measlmfn.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:19 PM
> To: misseiden.com
> Cc: secprogsecurityfocus.com
> Subject: Re: bill gates' claim about security vulnerabilities per LOC in
> Unix versus Windows
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 misseiden.com wrote:
> > in an interview done after his speech at the ms developer's
> > conference, http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=53897
> > bill gates claims (among other things)...
> > ..."The fact is, there are security vulnerabilities in peoples'
> > applications in many places. I mean, people act like some other
> > systems don't have vulnerabilities; actually all the forms of Unix as
> > well as Linux have had more vulnerabilities per line of code. They
> > don't propagate as much because they're not as dense as our system is,
> > so the things that prevent the propagation are particularly important
> > for our world."...
> > The "density" claim I think refers to the distribution of Windows
> > systems, densely packed on the agar dishes of corporate lans.
> > But does anyone actually know what studies might have compared
> > vulnerabilities per LOC among different operating systems?
> > the distinction between "bugs" and "exploitable vulnerabilities"
> > may come to bear.
> > or maybe the huge number of lines of code in the denominator is what
> > makes this claim is based on.
> More likely this claim is based on thin air.