From: Martin Dion (martin.dionabovesecurity.com)
Date: Thu Dec 02 2004 - 12:04:07 CST

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Hi!

There is a few efficient ways to tests those password but you need to
take some preventive measure not to wreak havoc the system :)

1- Copy the password files and crack them offline
2- Decrypt the password file and analyze the 'clear' password (that must
be done in a tight and controlled environment)
3- If it's a Windows Server setup, create a backup domain, once it is
synchronize with the master controller, unplug it from the production
network, de-actate the account lockout policy, and run a password
cracker on a separated network with only the cracking machine and the
backup domain controller.
4- Restore the access control server (Unix or Windows) on a new machine
and run the previous setup.

You can use LC5 from AtStake to test brute force both Unix and Windows
based authentication servers.

Have a nice day!

Martin Dion, CISM
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-----Original Message-----
From: Harrison Gladden [mailto:hgladdengmail.com]
Sent: December 1, 2004 12:52 PM
To: webappsecsecurityfocus.com; secprogsecurityfocus.com
Subject: Account Lockouts

Hello all,

My question to the group is about handling account lock outs. Here's
the situation, assume there is a web interface that lets users log in
and do stuff, but the log-in process is constrained by the network
restrictions as well.. Meaning if a user tries to log in X times in Y
seconds and fails each time, then the account get locked out.

What are successfull techniques that could be used on the web
interface to avoid having a script run against it that would
potentially lock out 15000 user accounts, and create a headache for
the system administrators who have to manually unlock each account?

Also assume the current user account names are known by everyone.

Possible techniques we've thrown around:
1) Allow each user to pick their own username instead of using a
standard (i.e. First 3 letters of first name + Full last name)

2) Create a set time-out period for each account of X (maybe an hour)

Hopefully my question makes sense.

Thanks,
Harrison
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Harrison Gladden <hgladdengmail.com>
Computer Engineer & Science Major
~Past experience: He who never makes
   mistakes, never did anything that's worth.~

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