From: ROB DIXON (rdixonworkforcewv.org)
Date: Mon May 01 2006 - 14:50:49 CDT

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If you are capturing the form submission via MITM then would SSL not be just as trivial via Cain and Able.\

Granted it would be obvious since the SSL cert would appear to be invalid, but not everyone is that savy.

Robert L. Dixon, CHFI
State of West Virginia's
West Virginia Office of Technology
Infrastructure Applications
Netware/GroupWise Administrator
Telephone: (304)-558-5472 ex.4225
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>>> Andrew van der Stock <vanderajgreebo.net> >>>
Several reasons:

1. MD5 does protect the password... as long as it is salted
correctly. Unsalted MD5 hashes are trivially breakable using rainbow
attacks, and are unsuitable for most uses (despite heavy usage by
many programs in exactly this fashion).

2. Replay attacks on public networks. Capturing the form submission
(trivial without SSL) would allow an attacker to replay the
conversation and log on as the identity without any issues

3. MD5 is provably weak as a hash - see the work of Wang et al:

http://eprint.iacr.org/2004/199.pdf

4. Javascript on the client is not a trusted environment. Minimizing
the trust of security weak components is a good design goal.

5. SSL is cheap. A certificate costs less than $100 these days and
solves many of these issues.

Andrew

On 30/04/2006, at 5:55 PM, Ace123 wrote:

> Clicking on "Why this is secure" link on the yahoo login page gives
> this:
>
> "Yahoo! now submits your ID and password securely via SSL (Secure
> Sockets Layer) encryption. This means that your personal information
> is more secure every time you sign in.
>
> In the past, Yahoo! used a challenge-response mechanism to protect
> passwords using MD5. Passwords were scrambled using a one-way hash, so
> that they could not be converted to clear text."
>
>
> What could be the reasons why yahoo changed their login security
> mechanism?
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