hrm,
Its topics like these that bring out the best in the *development* field.
Stanley, while I'm sure your hate for skriptkids is no less than any of the
rest of us, surely it hasn't blinded you to sarcasm, which _hopefully_ is
what sween was using. If not sarcasm then possibly just a good old fashion
"sick of the world/industry/life" rant. Whatever it may be, I do believe that
just possibly this thread has gotten out of hand and would harm no one by
killing it.

On Thursday 06 September 2001 08:35 pm, Stanley G. Bubrouski combined enough
1's and 0's to make the following:
> > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, fintler wrote:
> > > Now why would you possible want something like that...if you were an
> >
> > sooooo you can drive an industry and root somebody's solaris machine and
> > prove to SOMEONE's company that this computer security bullshit isn't
> > just a fad and that are not wasting 60K a year for a "security" expert to
> > hover over security focus mailing lists and apply patches to expensive
> > operating systems that were shipped broken in the first place.
> >
> > this industry needs an old fashioned ass whoopin.
> >
> > You owe script kiddies... BIG TIME.
>
> The computer and software industries owe script kiddies NOTHING. Script
> kiddies bring down sites, wreak havoc on networks, use compromised as
> platforms for attack and all without knowing how what they are using works
> or what harm they are doing.
>
> The people owed thanks are the people who find and report vulnerabilites,
> who attempt to offer fixes and workarounds, and yes people who write and
> publish proof of concept code and tools.
>
> But there is a huge difference between supplying a proof of concept and
> using one to gain unauthorized access to companies system.
>
> > GET OFF MY LIST.
>
> This is list is to discuss vulnerabilities, not promote script kiddies as
> the great fucking guardian angels of corporate America. Get real.
>

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